Roller lifter issue

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Mark Demko, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    About a year back. Never had any problem with the morels, they were just noisy when hot. I saw a few threads where JW said he was no longer using the Morels and had switched over to the Johnsons. I talked to Jim about it, and asked him, if this was your engine, would you swap out the morels? His answer was yes.:)
     
  2. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Im going out to the garage today and check, take pics.:D
    I got a bunch of traveling to do today:mad:
    Weird how they're in a box marked SB Chevy BUT they have a full shroudo_O
     
  3. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Read those instructions from TA about the oil hole SHOULD NOT enter the oil galley.... interesting
     
  4. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    I don't understand why the Buick V6 lifters would be too tall. Can someone explain this? I thought the valve train geometry of the V6 was the same as the 300.

    Jim
     
  5. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

  6. 1973gs

    1973gs Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking the same thing. Isn't a 231 a 350 minus 2 cylinders?:confused:
     
  7. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    No.

    Its closer to a sbb 340 with 2 less cylinders with a 3.400" stroke the same as a sbb 300 and the bore size of the sbb 350.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2019
  8. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    GM/Buick changed the block to taller lifter bosses like they did with Chevy and uses the longer Chevy lifters. They would be out of the hole at higher lift in the older block. The FWD V6 lifters are close to the stock lifter length. That's why the FWD V6 shorter lifters work in the older motors.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2019
  9. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Comparison of Morels to Johnsons 9ED9FF92-1234-4AD2-9988-C6CA2D8B45F5.jpeg 78AC51D1-844D-4061-9D53-48BF45686D8B.jpeg BFED25F3-FE5F-47D2-B5AC-2DD67131A738.jpeg B077A28D-2758-4313-AE99-62249AFB7798.jpeg
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The Johnson lifters are short travel with a faster refresh rate. Preload is limited to .035. I went half a turn on my roller rockers. The push rod cup is .230 deeper so longer pushrods.
     
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  11. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Mark, get a straight edge to line up the roller wheels exactly to see oil hole & band comparison.
    Almost looks like oil hole is same spot or higher than morels.
     
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  12. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Looks like the band and oil hole are a little lower. Johnson oil hole is on the side instead of front.
     
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  13. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Yes it is slightly higher than the Morels, oil band is also smaller/narrower also.
    TA's instructions say under no circumstances should the oil supply hole enter/intersect the oil galley.
    I'll put a straight edge on the wheels tommorow:D
     
  14. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

  15. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Flat hydraulic compared to short V6 roller:

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  16. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    OK, I just find this a bit confusing. How exactly is it NOT going to connect to the galley, and if it doesn't how is it going to get any oil? In one case it is drilled into the oil clearance band, in the other it is connected by the notch? clarification please.

    Jim
     
  17. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

  18. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Where the heck is the side oil hole & notch in the Johnsons? Is it higher up than TA's oil hole? That would be worse for bleeding off pressure I would think.

    If those new rollers don't increase pressure, are you going to mic that frt cam jrnl?
     
  19. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I think the reason it shouldn’t directly intersect the oil galley is it would be on the path of high volume/full pressure oil, verses being somewhat shielded. My machinist was telling me about a 455 roller motor he had on the Dyno that had Chevy style rollers, and there was WAY to much oil going to the top
     
  20. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

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