Question for you OEM Stage 2 "experts"

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Steve Reynolds, Feb 12, 2021.

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  1. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    Has anyone in the past seen exhaust manifolds like this one? I recently acquired this "one" RH Stage 2 cast iron exhaust manifold. It's "raw as cast" and has not had any machining done to it. I'm sure it's around 50 years old.

    I have a little history on it, but probably not the entire story, therefore I'd like to see if anyone knows the history on these and IF any more exist. I'd especially like to know if the LH side is still available somewhere out there.......... probably in a warehouse or barn environment, or stashed away like gold on someone's shelf somewhere!

    Let me know your thoughts on this...................
     

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  2. dan zepnick

    dan zepnick Well-Known Member

    Looks like a Pontiac manifold I seen years ago. Does that part number come up buick?
     
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  3. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Yep, Pontiac ram air IV manifold. Looks like a repro too
     
  4. GSXER

    GSXER Well-Known Member

  5. 6455spd

    6455spd Silver Level contributor

    Measure the port locations... could be interesting.... even if it is a Pontiac. I can see that one of middle three bolts being a problem. Match it to a Stage 2 gasket.
     
  6. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    Yes, I was going to do that tomorrow as I just picked it up today. I was told it was made for the Stage 2 Buicks by someone that has worked at the "foundry" in which it came from, for many many years. He could be wrong and I'll post what I find out about the gasket alignment tomorrow.
     
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  7. wovenweb

    wovenweb Platinum Level Contributor

    Ram Air Restorations has the best repop of those pieces and may have a casting that would have the right part number to match up the set.

    https://www.ramairrestoration.com/rm-4-round-port-ram-air-ho-sd-style-factory-headers.html

    I’ve got a set of ‘68 Ram Air II heads on my ‘68 Firebird coupe and a ‘71 Trans Am with the 455HO round ports. I know correct parts are nearly impossible to find, even the repop round port Long Branch manifolds on my ‘68 can get $1500-2k if one is patient.
     
  8. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    I did a quick search.......... you guys are correct. Pontiac reproduction parts........................

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  9. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    Sorry............. I took the guys word and thought I might have had something pretty cool here............... HAHAHA!! Oh well......
     
  10. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    one has to wonder how well those center ports seal, with just one bolt.

    We have enough issues on the Stage 2's, with three bolts..

    JW
     
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  11. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    I was wondering that myself....... then again they are mighty ridged...... I think that one manifold weighs 200lbs!! LOL
     
  12. 6455spd

    6455spd Silver Level contributor

    Weird they only have one bolt for the center two ports. Wonder how close the stage 2 gaskets match.
     
  13. Andrew Sury

    Andrew Sury Well-Known Member

    They are out there, but sometimes it takes death for those parts to see the light of the day. I have a bud that I have known for years that has a literally million dollar parts collection. Just his engines are worth more than my house. Ever seen three complete Pontiac SDs just sitting in a garage? Two complete Stage 1s next to those? And more NOS stuff than I have ever seek. His thing was buying insurance wrecks when these Vietnam war era cars were only a couple of years old. And a huge "Better grab these while they are still available" mentality.
     
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  14. dan zepnick

    dan zepnick Well-Known Member

    Ya I had a Pontiac buddy that had a pair of Pontiac manifolds like that and they were heavy!!
     
  15. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Pontiac guys love those things. Cool factory offering for sure.
     
  16. BUQUICK

    BUQUICK I'm your huckleberry.

    I’ve always been curious why Pontiac used so few bolts on manifolds.

    Using only 1 for 2 center ports would seem like an exhaust leak waiting to happen. But we’ve had a set of those round port Ram Air manifolds on one of our Pontiacs for almost 20 years and there has never been an exhaust leak.

    The regular non-Ram air D-port manifolds have 2 bolts in the center but they only have one bolt at each end (4 bolts total). No issues.
     
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  17. Greg Gessler

    Greg Gessler GS Stage1

    I have a set of ram-air D-Port exhaust manifolds on my Pontiac and they only use one bolt for the center 2 ports (like seen in previous photo) It must be 10-15 years now and I never had any leaks.
     
  18. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Flat is flat until it isn't....I'm thinking once they get real hot they would leak at some point due to warpage. But occasional use with bolts torqued equally they would be OK but not on a production vehicle.
     
  19. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    If any of you know a "Pontiac guy" that may want/need this, be sure to get in touch with me..............I like Pontiacs, but I don't own one and probably won't until I'm done playing with cars. LOL
     
  20. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Mercruiser would seal a sbc manifold with only 4 bolts across the whole thing and often with no gasket
     

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