opinion Express an opinion in todays america and right away its discrimination(PC) with all the trials and troubles of this life do we need The NEW rules?? which in reality are OLD rules!! WE ARE IN CHARGE NOW!!YOU BETTER DO WHAT WE SAY IS THE RIGHT THING OR YOUR A BIGOT OR HOMOPHOBE OR WHAT EVER WE WANT TO CALL YOU!! Slander and misrepresentation are the RULE of the day with the the pc crowd. Get real !! its the same old story!! we know whats best for everyone else but ourselfs! Quote from and old song "You can't even run your own life,I'll be d____d if you"ll run mine" "Time to except them and play by the new rules" Not in this life time !!!!!!!!! You probably weren't even born when guys my age were on are way to viet nam(Right or wrong) What could you possibly know about the past? the way this country was before your ILK! I've read your posts in the past and didn't respond(Cody B.) I can tell (not discriminate) your young by your posts! don't know your age(don't care) your one of the NEW brainwashed generation(PC) as for you other posters your also intitled to your opinion (right or wrong) but don't accuse me of your defination of Discrimination against someones age!!ITS AN OPINION just like you have and OPINION. And as far as CIVIL LIBERTIES ! Does that apply to only the PC causes? My civil liberties are just the same as the ones you listed ! does'nt the ACLU step all over the people who disagree with their views?? Mostly republicans I guess?? I expressed an opinion you did'nt like so you did what the PC always do Label/accuse/slander/ defame your desenters! TYPICAL PC BASHING OF WHOEVER DISAGREES WITH THEIR POINT OF VIEW. As for Saddam TUFFFFFFFFFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!! the rules have changed for him! He will have to learn to live with it :laugh: NOT DONE YET!!!!!!!!!! further more to defend in any context Saddam Hussein is beyond any reason ! remember HE murdered tortured beheaded/ his sons murdered /beheaded/tortured /raped Can you say honestly that he deserves any consideration on being seen in his under wear?? this is the same guy who castrated/shoved red hot iron rods into his victims,As reported on the history channel by survivors of his civil liberties program (being a tyrant) all tyrants are the same!! my way or no way!! I WILL make you see things MY way only!!! kinda sounds like the politically correct crowd to me!!!!!!! Thanx I feel much better expressing MY opinion in MY country! How soon we forget the dead and maimed of the tyrants of the world and worry about photos of a maniac in his under wear! and the NUT bags who would defend him!!!! pertinent thread The PC media for example!!!
I wouldn't expect democrats to understand civil liberties anyways. there, fixed that for you. :error:
I am tried of this whole pc thing.People need to get over themselves.We have freedom of speech I thought but there sure is a list of things I can't say.Hum.We need to remember they are just words If I got affended by everything somebody said to me I would be in jail for 10 million years.Remember what someone says is an opinion which we all have a right to have if you don't like my opinion ingnore it period.We need to learn to take things with a grain of salt and let them roll off our shoulders.But no certain people want to stir things up and make more out of it.The liberal media is the biggest POS there is they cast lie's on us everyday with no consequenses.They spin every story to fit the liberal pc platform and make everyone who doesn't fit their system look like a nazi. This whole Iraq thing is a mess because we have to be PC.If we fought the war like the militants are we would have already won but no we have to worry about what the pc world thinks.I'm sorry nothing about war is PC.WW2 wasn't pc and we kicked ass.We need to finish this thing once and for all.As for Saddam F him he is a POS he's lucky to get any tv coverage nowadays
Lets back up a bit here . First of all there is no need for such venom. There is a BIG difference between defending your rights and politically correct. Lumping them together is in my view incorrect.Personally I think that Saadam deserves all that he gets plus more . I am afraid that when people see others on the other side of the political fence thier first thought is that they are somehow un American or unpatriotic. We may differ in ways and opinions on some issues but not all. You have to remember the city that I live in . There is more increased security in cities like DC and NY than anywhere in the country. I will give you an example . I drive a Ford dually. I have been pulled over, photographed and questioned for driving an f350 on the highway that passes the Pentagon. It is scary ,humiliating and the fact that the government has decided that someone taking thier motorcylcle to the shop deserves that sort of treatment( vs an open bed single wheel pickup) makes me angry .It should make you angry too. It is because it is an infringment of my civil liberties. That is a neutral example. Well times are different since 9/11 so I accept it as true, so I do not drive my personal vehicle down a public road as the next time it happens I will be arrested. Welcome to civil liberties 2005. The point that I was making was that , and you did so again, you cant say I was hurt through age discrimination when I was younger and nobody stood up for me and then in the same thought say " you probably werent born then so you wouldnt know" You are not moving anything forward. You are , in fact , not moving forward at all you are just standing still.He has the right to express his opinion as do we all without being belittled or intimidated for doing so. Another example . I live in DC. Law abiding, no record-- cant own a gun period. That makes me angry NOT because I think everybody should have one but because I feel I SHOULD be able to have one if I want. ACLU is not there -- why because the NRA already is --and good for them. There are groups ,as I said, that fight vigorously on either side of every issue. Your personal opinion guides you to either side . That is what is great about the US. However , if you re read my post I have never called anyone a name or epithet and never acused anyone on this board of doing so. What I have done is present my side(opinion) and encouraged others to do the same . If we ever get a chance to meet I think you will quickly discover that I am not a "typical" anything. ( by the way I am old enough to remember your era---not old enough to go but old enough to know) Quite frankly I do not accept most of the media claptrap that comes out of my city-- on either side. My inclination is to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves. It is just difficult for me to accept from those in the majority (republican right) that they are being taken advantage of by those in the minority. Peace George in DC
mecha I always thought it was the republicans who pushed the patriot act across bush's desk. yeah, cuz we all know that not a single democrat voted for it. :error: because that's the only area of civil liberties where rights are being eroded. :error: because there was NO erosion of such rights prior the the aforementioned Patriot Act. :error: :error: actually, i'm just pointing out that if you want to get shatty with it you're not the only one who's allowed to do so. just so's you know, i used to subscribe to the paper copy of www.reason.com before Nick Gillespie turned it into a shill for the democrats. George It is just difficult for me to accept from those in the majority (republican right) that they are being taken advantage of by those in the minority. so prior to ~92 when the republicans hadn't controlled the house for 40 years or the senate or presidency for large portions of that period you would have been for them? truly bizarre reasoning there ... or are you just portraying the current political situation in a way that's convenient to the conclusion you want to reach (ie - that in 1978 you would have said you were right BECAUSE the dems were running everything). BTW, you HAVE noticed that it's not the republicans in charge of local DC government haven't you? the sorry fact is that the republicans and democrats haven't changed their respective stripes on race since the 1850s: the republicans believe in equality before the law, as encoded into the constitution ... and fought a war to prove it. the democrats believe in racial preferences encoded into law ... before ~1965 they were in favor of whites, since then they're in favor of everyone else. take your pick. it's obvious which side the ACLU is on. George Law abiding, no record-- cant own a gun period. That makes me angry NOT because I think everybody should have one but because I feel I SHOULD be able to have one if I want. ACLU is not there -- why because the NRA already is --and good for them. Quotes from the ACLU: "Our job is to conserve America's original civic values - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights." "The ACLU's mission is to fight civil liberties violations whenever and wherever they occur" (emphasis mine) it doesn't matter whether the NRA is there or not (and in fact the NRA would probably not be anything but a shooting club as it was originally formed to be in 1871 if the ACLU wasn't flagrantly violating their own charter) there have been constant attacks on the 2nd amendment for 40 years now and they've stood by and done nothing if not worse. it's plain to any who are willing to open their eyes that the ACLU hasn't been anything but the litigation arm of the DNC for decades. George The ability for a foreign leader to say a blatently racist comment and not get called to the mat for it? excuse me? not only is free speech no longer allowed in the US but we're going to extend this to the rest of the planet now? vincente fox is a sleazy little piece of crap but have him utter the truth (mexicans accept jobs that blacks will not ... and just how is this flattering to mexicans/derogatory towards blacks anyways? sounds like internecine warfare amongst the lower classes to me) and you're all hot under the collar? WTF? how many blacks have you seen in the orange groves (i grew up in Fla and visit there regularly)? picking lettuce? or any of a hundred other menial labor jobs. how often do you see a 'cattle call' corner full of blacks vs some other, shall we say, 'nameless' ethnic group? (i would hate to offend your sensibilities) i saw a TV interview with a (fat) black woman from Benton Harbor, MI last year where she was complaining because they had gov'mint programs to get the kids off the streets and keep them out of trouble ... but they weren't spending enough on programs for the adults so she would have something to do. ou: forget about migrant mexicans traveling thousands of miles every year chasing the harvest season for a pittance. since 1994 I have travelled to austin TX, washington DC, sun prairie WI, york PA, sebastian FL, and elkhart IN chasing work (i could have gone to hawai'i this year but they weren't offering enough). you get off your @ss and GO where the work is. that's what this country was founded on. if you're perfectly healthy and refuse to get off of your @ss then it's fine with me if you starve there. when i was in DC i was traipsing around the beltway (just seeing what there was to see) i stopped off in Prince Georges county at Wendy's to eat ... and proceeded to have the slowest (it took the me over 1/2 hour to get my food), worst service of my life at any fast food restaurant bar none. i would have said that it might have been a racist attitude on the part of the all black staff ... but the 8 black customers in the store were being served just slowly as i was. ou: watching the employees was like dipping myself in molasses and then getting plopped in the carbon freezing chamber. i could give you dozens more personal examples by i'm not even going to bother. i find the whole 'illegal as all hell immigration but let's cater to them' mentality being displayed by BOTH the reps and dems to be extremely aggravating ... but at least the mexicans are here to work their @sses off instead of mine. and lest you attempt to cast this as a racist attitude on my part: i've BEEN to africa (Kenya, Tanzania and Zanzibar ... i'm only listing Zanzibar seperately because the zanzibari's still haven't come to terms with the merger with Tanganyika :laugh: ). REAL africans work their @sses of just as hard as mexicans do. it's the homegrown blacks with the 'tudes that i have a problem with.
George It is just difficult for me to accept from those in the majority (republican right) that they are being taken advantage of by those in the minority. so prior to ~92 when the republicans hadn't controlled the house for 40 years or the senate or presidency for large portions of that period you would have been for them? truly bizarre reasoning there ... or are you just portraying the current political situation in a way that's convenient to the conclusion you want to reach (ie - that in 1978 you would have said you were right BECAUSE the dems were running everything). BTW, you HAVE noticed that it's not the republicans in charge of local DC government haven't you? Actually, I feel that when either party can impose its will without some sort of check or balance , it is wrong . A republican president and a democratic congress ( or vica versa) is a check.One party controlling both and using that power to bully the country I dont feel is right . Whatever side it leans from. Yes I know exactly who is in power in the local DC government. I also know that we still do not have full representation in Congress. Senators from all over the country can overturn our budgets, hide election results, and impose thier will on DC if they dont like who is in power. All my vehicles wear thier DC tags proudly with " Taxation Without Representation" enscribed along the bottom. the sorry fact is that the republicans and democrats haven't changed their respective stripes on race since the 1850s: the republicans believe in equality before the law, as encoded into the constitution ... and fought a war to prove it. the democrats believe in racial preferences encoded into law ... before ~1965 they were in favor of whites, since then they're in favor of everyone else. Not disagreeing with you there. The equality shows. History shows the hipocrasy of both parties however. George Law abiding, no record-- cant own a gun period. That makes me angry NOT because I think everybody should have one but because I feel I SHOULD be able to have one if I want. ACLU is not there -- why because the NRA already is --and good for them. Quotes from the ACLU: "Our job is to conserve America's original civic values - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights." "The ACLU's mission is to fight civil liberties violations whenever and wherever they occur" (emphasis mine) it doesn't matter whether the NRA is there or not (and in fact the NRA would probably not be anything but a shooting club as it was originally formed to be in 1871 if the ACLU wasn't flagrantly violating their own charter) there have been constant attacks on the 2nd amendment for 40 years now and they've stood by and done nothing if not worse. it's plain to any who are willing to open their eyes that the ACLU hasn't been anything but the litigation arm of the DNC for decades. Not disagreeing with you there either. Not saying that the NRA, Christian Coalition or the Moral Majority havent been that arm for traditionally Republican causes. In addition what I said was that it was a GOOD thing that the NRA is there to fight for that right. I think that this IS an important right. George The ability for a foreign leader to say a blatently racist comment and not get called to the mat for it? excuse me? not only is free speech no longer allowed in the US but we're going to extend this to the rest of the planet now? vincente fox is a sleazy little piece of crap but have him utter the truth (mexicans accept jobs that blacks will not ... and just how is this flattering to mexicans/derogatory towards blacks anyways? sounds like internecine warfare amongst the lower classes to me) and you're all hot under the collar? WTF? how many blacks have you seen in the orange groves (i grew up in Fla and visit there regularly)? picking lettuce? or any of a hundred other menial labor jobs. how often do you see a 'cattle call' corner full of blacks vs some other, shall we say, 'nameless' ethnic group? (i would hate to offend your sensibilities) Free speach is alive and well but I get to choose what offends me --not you. I also get to choose to call you on it or not. In fact he demeend both groups with his comments. i saw a TV interview with a (fat) black woman from Benton Harbor, MI last year where she was complaining because they had gov'mint programs to get the kids off the streets and keep them out of trouble ... but they weren't spending enough on programs for the adults so she would have something to do. ou: "gov'mint" ---so thats for affect right ? I agree with you that there is a problem in this country. One of them is that there is a perception that the majority of those on welfare or government assistance are African American. This is not true. The "liberal media " would have you think so. Another at the root of the problem is this overly litigeous lottery mentality that has become a part of what many Americans have adopted.This goes across all lines. forget about migrant mexicans traveling thousands of miles every year chasing the harvest season for a pittance. since 1994 I have travelled to austin TX, washington DC, sun prairie WI, york PA, sebastian FL, and elkhart IN chasing work (i could have gone to hawai'i this year but they weren't offering enough). you get off your @ss and GO where the work is. that's what this country was founded on. if you're perfectly healthy and refuse to get off of your @ss then it's fine with me if you starve there. I used to live in Austin. When I looked for a house there , I had to go through three relators before anyone would show me anything out of South Austin. I had to fight to buy a house where I wanted . Not in 1960 --it was 1990. Are you really saying that those who cannot find work should move or starve? Look if it were up to me you wouldnt have to move ,everyone would have a job etc. The unfortunate truth is that if it becomes a part of your reality to be out of work and look for someone to give you something, that is a deep hole to climb out of. I wish it were different but its not. when i was in DC i was traipsing around the beltway (just seeing what there was to see) i stopped off in Prince Georges county at Wendy's to eat ... and proceeded to have the slowest (it took the me over 1/2 hour to get my food), worst service of my life at any fast food restaurant bar none. i would have said that it might have been a racist attitude on the part of the all black staff ... but the 8 black customers in the store were being served just slowly as i was. ou: watching the employees was like dipping myself in molasses and then getting plopped in the carbon freezing chamber. I am not disagreeing with you there . PG is kind of a joke locally as well. When I go to some stores I often give people the riot act because of inadequate service. This is a cultural problem that makes me angry as well . I have no idea how to fix it . I do my part by calling people on thier behavior on a regular basis. i could give you dozens more personal examples by i'm not even going to bother. OK i find the whole 'illegal as all hell immigration but let's cater to them' mentality being displayed by BOTH the reps and dems to be extremely aggravating ... but at least the mexicans are here to work their @sses off instead of mine. Agreed . It does have to be dealt with in some way ,however. I dont know what the answer is . I will say this . We need to find a way so that this class of worker cannot continue to be exploited. and lest you attempt to cast this as a racist attitude on my part: i've BEEN to africa (Kenya, Tanzania and Zanzibar ... i'm only listing Zanzibar seperately because the zanzibari's still haven't come to terms with the merger with Tanganyika :laugh: ). REAL africans work their @sses of just as hard as mexicans do. And... I have worked in Russia, Poland ,Czech Republic (Hrvatska), Croatia, Germany and I employ people from all of these countries ( and the US obviously) in my consulting firm. I SPEAK Russian ,Polish,French and some Czech. Old school Soviets want communists in power. They want them back because they knew that the government would take care of them ( as inadequately as they did-- they didnt know any better). They want it back because it was what they are used to. They didnt have to fight( somewhat). That is a pretty deep hole too. To me this is a socio/economic issue more than a racial one . It just so happens that here in the States there is also the racial quotient. Contributing members of society work thier asses off---but how about if you pay income taxes too? If you want to use social services , help pay for them. it's the homegrown blacks with the 'tudes that i have a problem with. Agreed . Lets agree also however that it can be a homegrown "anybody" George in DC
I'm sometimes left, sometimes right...... :Smarty: But Who else is there to support EVERY American's rights put down in OUR CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS? The ACLU is the antithisis of a "special interest group". P.S. About the (un)Patriot act, I'm para phrasing here, but who said, "Any country who would give up any right for security, deservises neither security nor freedom"? Franklin?Jefferson? o No:
George The ability for a foreign leader to say a blatently racist comment and not get called to the mat for it? Let's see... Rush Limbaugh said of Donovan McNabb that "the press wanted to see a black quarterback succeed", was called a racist and lost his job. Jessie Jackson called the fine Jewish folks in New York "hymies". Guess which one you can see on any given night on the liberal media news, referred to as one of the leaders of civil and equal rights? Give me a break.
Come on . He got hammerd for that at the time . He should have been lambasted for this comment and he was. There are those in the Jewish community that will never trust him because of this comment.He deserves that mistrust. Dont pick my heroes for me . Do not mistake me for someone you grew up with. Do you think Rush wont come back ? He has a bunch of other things hes got to deal with right now but there are too many supporters of his out there . As soon as the collective amnesia of the American public kicks in he'll be right back on the radio. Lots of others taking his place anyway. Orielly and the like. George in DC
Better watch it Joe. If he finds you he will sue you for practicing discrimination, that is until you write Rainbow a nice fat check. Then he can move on fighting for your rights. :laugh:
George, You are right about the public's collective amnesia. But as far as the liberal media is concerned, they will not let it go. When they do a piece on Rush they make sure that they throw in the "If you recall, Mr. Limbaugh was involved in a controversy when he made a comment on Donovan McNabb, quarterback for the Phil. Eagles....." I challange anyone to find a recent news clip of Mr. Jackson's past comments in any media clip. As far as picking you heroes, that is up to you. I do find it interesting that you lump O'Reilly in with conservatives. The guy dishes it out to both sides. He is one of the few to bring to light just how liberal the mainstream media really is. Does exposing the truth make him the next Rush?
Mark , Its true that you dont see it in the media any longer but just as you remember it (as do I) so do others. His credibility has been shot for many for a long time . Dont fool yourself. As far as I am concerned , there is little to be gained by those whose talk a lot but say very little.This is true from all angles. Look guys, I used to listen to Rush( in small doses). I feel that it is important to know and hear all sides -- as should we all. You cant form real opinions without all of the info. As far as Orielly goes , I only lump him in as yet another guy with an open forum radio talk show. Radio and TV are about money, ad sales etc, liberal or not.No different than Howard Stern . If it is shocking ,sensational , or has lesbi@ns in it , people listen. The more sensational or the more lesbi@ns the better. Ok, who else wants to pile on ? :grin: I also want to say that this open forum discussion that we have had here on this board is interesting . I know some may not agree with my particular views. Thats ok. I wouldnt expect you all to do so. I am not trying to win hearts and minds just speak my own. I do respect those who have joined in the discussion with honest feelings and answers. Some have been angry some not . An open discussion is the thing . Perhaps it will raise the level of understanding to a certain degree. At the end of the day, we are all buick guys and gals here and that is certainly one thing we ALL agree on . Cheers George in DC
George, I agree with your take on having respect for those that like to have discussions with honest feelings and answers. Open discussion on any topic is key. I really find it interesting to hear why folks have the views they do. And yes, aside from the ribbing, having an open debate now and then is a good thing. It makes us stop and forces us at times to ask ourselves what we really believe in and why, not just what we were taught. And, it's how we learn from each other.
And here's the reason why we need to pick our judges carefully. This should further inflame the Muslim world against us. Liberals are so incensed with hatred of conservatives in general and Bush in particular, they will go to any extreme to cast America in a bad light, even at the expense of innocent people. Read this. By the way, this judge was a 1998 Clinton appointee. http://www.bakersfield.com/24hour/nation/story/2433906p-10732554c.html
What's this crap about the republicans wanting to get rid of the "equal amounts" part of some law so they can appoint all these republican judges so that only their point of view will be enforced?
