Problems breaking in motor, NEED HELP!

Have you checked for vacuum leaks?

 

Your headers should not be glowing red!...unless you really revved it up for an extended period of time. This is an indicator for a lean air:fuel mixture. Fatten up your mixture a little and see if it helps. It also wouldn't hurt to replace your fuel filter, if you can see any dirt in it--it needs replaced. And, if you are using an in-line filter, then remove the brass filter at the carb and put it away somewhere for EMERGENCY USE ONLY.

If only one header is glowing you may want to recheck your lifter preload and adjust if necessary (if possibe).

Good luck!:grin: :TU:

Keep us posted.

 

TIMING!

Severely retarded timing will cause the exhaust to glow red!

 

You might not be 180 off, you might only be one tooth off.

Mine ran just like yours did (ran real rough, wouldn't idle) when I didn't line up my marks on the timing set. Learned that one the hard way.

I moved the gear, put everything back together, fired right up. I moved the distributor one tooth to get enough swing.

John

 

John just made a good point............perhaps your valve timing is off...........Being one tooth off will really screw things up good. You can check that without taking it apart:

Line up your cyl. #1 at TDC, (this has to be done 180 distributor deg. from the compression stroke) and with the valve cover off, check to see if both valves are closed. In other words, just as the exhaust valve closes, the intake valve is just starting to open........this should occur at TDC. By using a breaker bar on the balancer, rock the crank back and forth through TDC and note if the valves are both closed at TDC. I hope my instructions made sense. Good luck! :bglasses:

 

Nailhead, thats how I determined TDC.. I put the balencer to 0* and rocked the balencer back n forth about 5" each way and their was no movement in the #1 valves, so I most positive its at TDC. Then I set up the #1 wire to the rotor and off I went, I did this about 3 times... and the results,,,,,,,, o No: I really TRUST that my macineist did the timming chain and degreeing correctly.

I keep getting diffrent opinoins....
set initial to 0*, 10*, 12*, 14*, and +*.....
and set the total to 30*,32*, 34*, and some to 36*...????

I spoke to John Ozborn today whit reguards to a carb question and explained to him what problems I was having.... He brought up a very good point! MY ALTITUDE!!!!!!!! I never thought about that... he recomended to set my total to 30* because I live on LI and my altitude is high..which makes sence:Smarty:

So im shotting for 30* now and not surw what initial to go witho No: hopefully someone will chime in soon and have something for me otherwise im off to round 3 in about 25 mins.........:blast: Thanks again guys ~ Vinny

 

You missed my point..........you must not do this check on the compression stroke........you need to see if the valves "balance" when you move the crank back and forth at the start of the intake stroke..........now do you see what I mean? That's the only way I know of to check valve timing without taking off the timing cover and actually looking at the marks on the gears.

I don't think the altitude is your problem, it shouldn't have that much effect on the temperarure of your exhaust. :bglasses:

 

so you are saying, at TDC as I start to move the balencer clockwise again, the intake valve should start to open? Thats where I want to be? Sorry if Im not getting anyones instructions correctly, i can do anything whaen shown but when it comes to readdind it and then doing it, i can get lost sometimes.. and also the fact my buddy thats helping me here is one of those "KNOW IT ALLS" and is never right and hes been throwing me off completly whit his suggestions that are the right way to do it:Smarty: so far, we tried hes suggestions from the 2nd erro and things got worse........... SO NOW ITS MY WAY:rant:
Again thanks alot ~Vinny ]

 

do the headers glow at idle or when your at 2500rpm ? when i broke my engine in i had three tubes glowing red at 2500. i just let it go and everything was fine.

 

they were glowing aroung 2500

 

yes, i now have a dial back light and i was determining my 30* from the mark i made on the damper.. At least my friend was... I dont know how much i can trust him now... I think hes readding something wrong or doing something wrong because like I said im no pro but at this but we should have got it by now, ya know..
I didnt get to start it again today i had no time but hopefully tomarrow.... This time i'll have him start it and I'll DO THE ADJUSTMENTS! I think i was the one to start it because i was afraid the he wouldnt keep it the RPM i wanted so i did it, o No: i dont know what I was thinking anyway.. if i had a set plan in my head then why did'nt I just do the adjustment?o No: anyway i'll post some GOOD NEWS tomarrow:TU: hopefully
Thanks again~ Vin

 

with the vac. advance disconnected right?

 

thats what i thought!!!! i really think between me n him someone is reallly off, im not one to blame the person who isnt here to defend themself, i can admit whenever im wrong i have no problem with it but i think hes really set on doing it his way n its wrong..... i dont think he does what i ask him to. whatever im not trying to but blame Im just really frustrated right now and impatiant... I WANNA GET THIS BEAST RUNNING!!!!!!!!!! without damaging the motor... Thanks again ~Vinny ill post tomarrow you guys are a big help:TU: :beer

 

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think a motor will even run if the timing chain is off by one tooth, even if you compensate by properly setting the spark timing? o No:

 

Keep in mind that you can get timing chain sets that can change your cam to crank timing by +or- 8 degrees. This is not just for cam degreeing purposes. This is a means for fine tuning an engines power range.

Advance cam=more bottom end power.

Retard cam=more top end power.

So if his gears WERE just 1 tooth off, then the engine SHOULD run just fine...unless the cam was on the edge to begin with and the error was in the wrong direction. But that is a whole nuther can-o-worms.

Vinny, sounds like you need a different helper, or no helper at all.

 

Are you talking crankshaft degrees or camshaft degrees?Wouldn't one tooth equal a lot more than 8 degrees? :bglasses: