Mystery GSX ?

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by ToddsGS, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    Special Car Order. If you wanted something that was not "normal", your car was assigned a SCO and, typically, a very low body number from Fisher Body.
     
  2. missin' 2

    missin' 2 Well-Known Member

    just curious if anything has come up with this car lately???
     
  3. GS44667

    GS44667 Worlds First Stage1 Conv

    Well I know of a gold 70x...not sure if it's a QQ...But still has original paint stripes down...Story was customers wife would not have a yellow car,got it painted gold by buick and it looks sweet.And I heard that story in 1979-80 before the musclecar craze.:Do No:
     
  4. Boost_jnky

    Boost_jnky Well-Known Member

    Still nothing on this? This really would be an amazing find if it was truly an off-the-assembly-line 350 4sp GSX......:eek2:
     
  5. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    Hey, Todd, how are you?

    I don't think a paint code on the data plate determines the pedigree on the car.

    And while I am aware GM brands did things differently (and, hence, this may not be true for Buick), do you think it's possible that a SCO paint car could have the actual paint code on the data plate instead of "--"?

    So I think what you saw was a SCO GS 350 or, possibly, your memory is just fooling you, as that kinda happens to us years later (with all due respect).
     
  6. lostGS

    lostGS Well-Known Member

    Just throwing out random thoughts here. Could it have been a prototype? A Buick version of the Rallye 350. That like Brad's X, gotten sold by mistake?

    But Yellow with brown interior. not real popular combination, unless it was the tan brown. Who knows. Only the dealer who ordered the car in 1970.

    Tim
     
  7. smokum

    smokum Well-Known Member

    After reading this thread, and contemplating both the cars I've personally seen and owned over the years, as well as the stories of original owners and the "special" features of their cars that I've heard about in magazine stories and real-life, I submit the following possibilities (assuming the car really did have the "QQ" code as remembered):

    1. It was a real GS350 car that a "connected" dealer was able to get painted in the "GSX Only" color of Saturn Yellow. (as a side note, I can't say this with certainty, but the '70 Olds Cutlass Rallye 350 color looks strikingly similar to the QQ shade of yellow-- just like how a '69 Camaro could have come with "Hugger Orange", but that same color on a '69 GTO was called "Carousel Red").

    2. In the same vein as the above, maybe the same "connected" dealer was able to also order the car in the customer-preferred brown interior color.

    3. I've seen examples of cars that came with colors/features that weren't "supposed to be" available on that model. Sometimes they were the result of assembly line "accidents" or temporary shortages of materials, in addition to the aforementioned "customer special requests".

    Even though the "rule" for the color combo of legitimate GSXs included the black-only interior and the exterior colors (Apollo White and Saturn Yellow) were intended for the GSX only, in reality that "rule" was only as rigid as the enforcement of an assembly production supervisor would allow. Over the thousands of cars made that year, some "anomalies" were bound to happen.
    Also, to me it seems like too much of a coincidence that the 2 posters in this thread saw two different yellow 70 GS 350 4-speed cars in the same area of WI. It has to be the same car!
     
  8. nitrousfish

    nitrousfish Dave Fisher

    Did you end up bringing this car home...anything interesting? Fish
     
  9. ToddsGS

    ToddsGS Founders Club Member

    Yeah, what he said!!

    I still wonder about this car. Someone has to own it and could shed some light on it!

    I still think it was a Small Block GS / 4 Speed Car with a Brown(Burnished Saddle) interior and Factory Saturn Yellow Paint with some GSX stuff added either by the Factory or the Dealership. Probably an SCO car because of the QQ Paint Code. Either way it was probably fairly Rare because of the weird combination.

    GM did weird stuff back then.

    Somebody owns this car! ! Wish we could hear the real story and see some pictures.


    Still a Mystery!

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  10. staged70

    staged70 RIP

    My take seriously is a retagged GSX with the drive train and VIN that came from a 350 car so it would match.
     
  11. marxjunk

    marxjunk Well-Known Member

    Theres a posting right here on the board of a numbers matching real
    stage 1 car, the motor and the trans matches the last half of the VIN, and he has documents I dont know if sloan or roberts showing it as a stage 1 car...it has a problem the VIN starts with 43437...........the cars where produced in large numbers and assembled by humans..and stuff happens..,,

    so, i would really worry about the VIN thing too much, it could be a real car with a factory mistake....dont get me wrong the VIN misprint is a BIG red flag, but when ya have documentation thats rock solid...it could happen..brown interior doesnt bother me much either..weird stufff happens..ive learned many years ago to NEVER say NEVER...cuz it happens..

    now..convincing ANYONE mistakes like that happend...thats the trick
     
  12. Starc Traxler

    Starc Traxler Well-Known Member

    Todd I remember this car also,I saw it next door at a friends body shop (Jim Powers) this would have been about 1979-80 and sitting next to it was a black 65 GS Riv. Of course I did not check the vin but I do remember the QQ paint code and it looked like the factory paint job. Went back years later and both cars were gone. Hope this mystery car gets solved.
     
  13. ToddsGS

    ToddsGS Founders Club Member

    If I remember correctly when I looked at it the 1st time the guys last name that owned it then was "Bauer" ? I do remember hearing that him and his brother were into Mopars. I'm not sure how he came across the Buick but...?

    Sure would be nice if someone on this board owns the car now and could shed some light on it. Last I heard it was in Illinois??

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  14. Steve A

    Steve A 454 450

    Any chance that the guy that sold it still has the VIN ?
     
  15. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    I saw a 72 GS 350 for sale years ago and something about the car rang a bell. Even though it was repainted red from it's orig seafoam green I thought it might be the one I had and sold with well over 100K on it. Here the guy was saying it had 50K orig miles, owned by a school teacher, etc, etc. I went home and got a VA inspection slip with VIN and showing high miles. He told me to get lost and it was his car to do with it what he wanted.

    Anyway point is those leftover pieces of documentation can be handy down the road.......
     
  16. ToddsGS

    ToddsGS Founders Club Member

    The last guy here in Eau Claire to own it was a guy named Bill Ranney. He owns' Ranney's Mobil Station and buys and sells cars for a living. He's also a Buick guy and about once a year will have a skylark or GS for sale simply because he likes Buicks. I'm friends with him and also saw this car when he had it and was repainting it. He to agreed with me that the Saturn Yellow paint was original (and faded which is why he reapainted it prior to selling) We also think the Burnished Saddle Interior was original due to the brown Dash, steering column and other various interior parts that someone back then probably wouldn't have went to the work of changing colors on. (Especially when Brown wouldn't have been correct if someone was trying to "clone" a GSX)

    Anyways, because he is a Car Dealer he probably has the Paperwork from the sale of that car and therefore would have the Vin. He's also the one that told me the car eventually sold to a guy in Illinois.

    I bet there are guys on this board that live in Illinois that have seen this car - possibly at a show or just cruising around. Next time you see a Yellow GSX with a Brown interior and a 4 Speed check the Data Plate and Vin!! (And Take Pictures) I really wish I would have photographed that Data Plate!

    Incidentally, Bill (The Mobile Station Owner) has a Black 1970 GS for sale right now. I spotted it earlier this summer at his dealership and then again yesterday when doing a google search for Buicks in Eau Claire. It's a bit rusty but . . . .


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  17. ToddsGS

    ToddsGS Founders Club Member

    Just read this in another post by Brad Conley:

    "There was a Saturn Yellow with a brown (Saddle) interior with all kinds of neat stuff produced in the fall of 1969 as a pre-production prototype. We have photo's of it (somewhere around here...).

    I believe that is the other one Duane was speaking of..."



    Anyone have photos or more info on this "Pre-Production GSX with a Saddle Interior" ??.



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  18. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

    Brad Conley03-05-2009, 05:49 PM
    Duane, I know Brad's car is #1 but what is the other?

    Glen,
    There was a Saturn Yellow with a brown (Saddle) interior with all kinds of neat stuff produced in the fall of 1969 as a pre-production prototype. We have photo's of it (somewhere around here...).

    I believe that is the other one Duane was speaking of...

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    flynbuick03-05-2009, 05:54 PM
    If that is the Freeway Flyer car, unless it has been sold again, it would belong to a person in Illinois. I guess it may now have been restored. Maybe Kleiner would be a good place to start.
     
  19. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    Boys, the one Duane and I were speaking of was a pre-production prototype and was Saturn Yellow with a Saddle interior. I have seen photos of it with manufacture plate with a winter background, so probably sometime late 1969 or early 1970. Again, it was NOT a 4 speed, but an automatic. Drums all around too. Some other little touches I won't go into here. I have not found the picture I was speaking of...really kind of forgot about it.

    I didn't respond to this thread as the car I know existed was NOT a 4 speed but did have a rather special shifter arrangement on it's automatic. Think of "boys and girls".... :laugh:
     
  20. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

    "His and Her's type of shifter?
     

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