If you recall the discussion some months ago about the marine who shot the wounded insurgents in IRAQ. Follow up article on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/05/falluja.marine/index.html Same topic on Al Jazeera English: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E222A6D7-8D7C-498C-8EDE-80C5D52DEBBA.htm
Awesome, and I agree with them. "The corporal said in a sworn statement that he opened fire at the people because he thought they were threat to the Marines in the mosque, according to a military news release. The investigators who considered the facts of the incident agreed. "The evidence indicates that based on the actions of those AIF (anti-Iraqi forces), the corporal reasonably believed that they posed a hostile threat to him and his fellow Marines and justifiably fired in self-defense." Of course they posed a hostile threat. But, since when did self-defense become the only reason that you can shoot someone in a war?
how many people were killed in the name of the lord ? The bible is full of people killing on gods command and god strinking people down for whatever reason. Im not trying to insult your beliefs , its just sometimes you gotta kill so that people may live. The world would be great if everyone got along, but they dont and never will, so you do what you must to protect your people and your way of life. If the situation was reversed then you can bet your life that the Iraqi would have killed the marine.
I have a feeling my God wouldnt have a problem with a soldier offing the slimebags that cut innocent peoples heads off, kill and gut people and sew explosives into there body to kill others that come to retrieve the corpse, or plant explosives with the intent of killing as many civilians as possible. In my view the Marine killing that terrorist is Gods will. :af:
Who do you think God has guarding the gates of heaven??? Clue: He's in dress blues!!! Semper Fi!!! Deploying in August to, as my 6 year old so elequently puts it, "to kill bad guys". Michael
Michael, God bless you and everyone else in the armed forces for going over there and doing the dirty work that allows all of us to enjoy life in the greatest country on earth!! Stay safe!! :beer
Michael, Good luck, take care and be safe. I thank you for protecting me and my family from those that would surely destroy our way of life if we gave them the chance.
Try actually reading the Geneva Convention. You'll see that guerilla fighters that are not in any distinguishable uniform are not protected under the Geneva Convention one bit. Maybe the Terrorsists in Iraq "sort of forgot about the Geneva Convention" as well because using Mosques or other religeous sanctuaries for cover, not wearing uniforms establishing whom you fight for, butchering civillians and troops after surrender, and planting explosives on dead or wounded are all blatently against the GC rules of war. :af:
Mike- come home safe and God bless. Do your job and come home, you're already a hero to that six year old :TU:
I usually stay away from these kind of threads.... But wow Junkman.... You can't really believe that our soldiers are all going to hell because they've helped STOP the terrorists from chopping innocent peoples heads off? I guess, "to each his own", but that truly blows my mind if you seriously feel that way. o No: Thankfully I'm not in the military because I would have run in that mosque, right AFTER I threw a grenade in the window, and I still would have shot every body laying in there at least once "just to make sure". Sorry... but probably even the guy who "surrendered". :blast: Thoses evil SOB's don't even care about their own life. He could be laying there with a grenade under his leg, "surrendering" just so you'll pick him up, and blow the whole building up. Hats off to our guys and gals over there. They're voluntarily going through hell for the good of all mankind. All I'm man enough to do is admit that I wouldn't be able to handle it over there. :beer
Well, in Ted's defense, many folks do feel that way, and killing is never a Good Thing. If it's a Christain Ideal, the problem is Mortal Sin, not murder, which is more of a legal term, isn't it? The considered killing of the enemy in wartime isn't murder under the law of the US. Under Christain "law" it is questionably a Mortal Sin. But there are precedents, notably in the second World War, of God' representatives on earth giving general dispensation of Sin both past and in the immdeiate future, to US soldiers. the Crusades were not an example of the Church murdering anyone...at the time, at least. Modern day critics often like to mention the Children's Crusade, and my reply to that would always be "You weren't there, but you're still judging" if a US soldier goes over to Iraq (not to forget the Marines, Sailors and Air Force personal that serve) and kills to defend himself and his comrades from harm, I cannot conceive that it would be an unforgiveable sin and in fact if you check up on it, I gaurantee that the US military still has the equivelant of Chaplains that can addres this very issue If a US soldier goes over there and kills because he likes to spread suffering, then he's going to the fate he's prepared for himself Ted is correct- killing is not a Good Thing. But taking no action to defend those that can't when you have the power to act is unforgiveable to God and Man that's all I have to say about that
At the risk of turning this into a religious thread, which I do not want to do, I would like to make clear that the english version of the 10 commandments is not an accurate translation. Thou shall not kill- is what WE know, but the proper translation is more like Thou shall not murder.... There's a big difference between those two words.
Kill them all, pray for your sins, let GOD sort it out. If you believe what you do is for the better good, are honest and truly sorry for what you had to do. he will forgive. Let two or more come together and agree that you were right and justified in your action. Dogma Law AKA Foxhole Religion. What you make so on earth, I will make so in heaven. Also there is something somewhere in the bible that if your country ask you to fight for them, your suppose to.
If they had not killed the Iraqi they would have just put him in prison where a manly looking midget chick would point at his willie and take pictures, there are things worse then death. That chick looked like a cabbage patch kid all grown up. :blast:
I think the U.S. IS the only country that ever pays attention to the Geneva Convention. Too bad. Semper Fi
