Please be aware that my name is spelled with the I before E, just like the grammar rule. My sister got the normal name in the family. Is this because the death penalty works so well today? Sorry, but deterrents are old hat. We live in a modern society today, and therefore we need modern solutions--solutions that don't invoke old-world Islamic republics. But this was about kids who can't add, right?
I spent a large portion of my life replacing fear with reason. The shock factor is why physical discipline works, until children learn to reason. Harmony is the ultimate goal
I have a 32 year old son. A house full of kids is not required to understand the issues our society deals with today. My experience as a child was all that was required to understand how to raise children. My parents were an excellent example to follow. And I paid attention to the kids around me growing up, several had parents that were an example of what not to do. Without fail, willful children whose parents would not discipline them properly, had a tough time adjusting to real life, once they came out into the real world. Several of those guys figured it out eventually, but several still struggle. And a lack of respect for authority was the common denominator with those guys.. it lead them to drugs, issues with the law, problems keeping jobs, and generally a tough go of it as a young adult. It cost a couple of them their lives.. JW
The execution of sentence is so far removed from the actual crime, that the deterrent affect of capital punishment is muted. Years of appeals go by before the sentence is carried out. Your entitled to your opinion, but how's that working for us? Not so good I'd say.. I would say that human nature has not changed for thousands of years, so the "enlightened society" argument comes up short. Absolutely... but it's impossible to discuss the continuing downward spiral of the state of education in America, without addressing the root causes. I believe that one of the biggest causes is the lack of respect for authority that many children have today. And that has to be ingrained in a child by their parents at a very young age. It will serve them well for the rest of their lives. If you want an example.. take a look at the Eastern societies. Their children continually score at the top of the rankings worldwide. Much of that comes from the fact that nearly universally these children revere their parents, and grandparents in those societies. The rest of it comes from their education system keeping their eye on the ball, and not getting distracted by CRT and other WOKE nonsense. "new age solutions" have dramatically failed our kids. JW
The real question is whether it would reduce the murder rate in places like Oklahoma, where the per capita murder rate is way higher. Oh wait, that doesn't fit the narrative... Murder rates in NYC are way down over the last 20 years, not counting 9-11. The rate spiked during he pandemic but it spiked everywhere. NYC still has a lower murder rate than most parts of the US. Cash bail allows people with money to get out of jail, while forcing those without money to sit and rot. Bail is not meant to stop offenders from repeating and does not accomplish such a feat. Banning it merely means the poor or needy get the same access to freedom as the well to do.
Yup, and the vast majority of those deaths are drug related.. Arkansas does not have a murder problem they have a drug problem, statewide. Same as the city of Chicago, which typically has double digit deaths every weekend, with dozens of folks shot. They don't have a murder problem, they have a drug problem, which manifests itself with the shootings and deaths. At the heart of the drug problem is a citizenry with no respect for authority. It all starts at home, and no social program on the planet will fix that. They have poured money and programs at the inner cities for decades, and all the handouts do is enslave and enable them. On the no cash bail... Stop committing crimes and you will enjoy all the freedom that everyone else does.. regardless of your income level. tough to be a repeat offender if your sitting in jail, so your logic has a bit of a flaw in it. JW
(Note: not a legal scholar. Terminology may be wrong but I am trying to express the concepts.) You are conflating two separate ideas -- pre-trial release and bail. If the judge deems someone who has been arrested to be a threat to flee or a threat to the community, the judge in theory is supposed to deny them pre-trial release. This in theory applies equally to the financially well-to-do and the poor. If the judge feels they are not likely to flee and are not threats to the community, he can allow them to bond out via cash bail, Cash bail applies unequally to the financially well-to-do and the poor -- a person with no financial means is not afforded the same advantages of those with funds at their disposal. Two separate ideas. The first to protect the community, the second to allow the accused to get on with their lives while awaiting trial. Elimination of cash bail fixes the financial bias in that part of the system.
About 20-30 years ago I was in attendance at a sentencing hearing for a defendant convicted of multiple B&E and larceny charges. He was a repeat offender with a prior history of convictions for the same class of crimes. Defense counsel was pleading for a lenient sentence without incarceration as he further opined that he thought his client had "learned his lesson" and would not be breaking, entering and stealing in the future if the Judge would "give him a chance". The Judge retorted that the lawyer's client was a repeat offender who obviously had not learned his lesson from his prior convictions. But, said the Judge, we will not have to worry about this Defendant for the next 8 years as the Defendant will not be able to commit B&Es and larceny from behind bars in prison. And off the criminal went. By way of contrast, this summer, I was at "forums" for local judicial candidates. Without exception, the publicly pronounced consensus of ALL the candidates for judicial office was that "there is no rehabilitation by incarceration." This was met with approval and nodding heads by all in the audience. Take from this what you will. Life 2020s.
so sorry that bond is such an affront to you . Try explaining that to the families of the 180 people murdered in Houston while the offender was out on bond . Because everything you said is bs . Here is an interview with a democratic Texas senator “ The dean of the Texas Senate thinks it’s unheard of that violent offenders and suspected murderers are being released on bond. Then, individuals who violate the conditions of their first bond get another one. Harris County has at least 180 documented cases of residents being killed by suspects who are out on bond. "The PR bonds ought to be considered for non-violent, first-time offenders, low-level offenders but not someone who has a rap sheet a mile long. Those folks will go out and re-offend and that's what's leading to the large number of murders," Democratic Senator Whitmire said. "I do not apologize for holding armed robbers accountable. We have the means to lock people up when they murder someone, repeat murderers ought to be locked up and held accountable."
[QUOTE="2manybuicks, post: 3349608, member: 1667" Cash bail applies unequally to the financially well-to-do and the poor -- a person with no financial means is not afforded the same advantages of those with funds at their disposal.[/QUOTE] So will you change your mind if you or your family is harmed by some POS thats out on no cash bail..... Car jacking. Assault. Strong arm robbery. ETC ETC your fine that kind of stuff....
No Bail? I really have to laugh at that one. Good idea, let the idiot out to commit more before trial. Well, he/she needs money for court so why not let them out to go rob some innocent walker going to store. No Bail Great Idea!??
Am I supposed to feel differently if they WERE out on cash bail? "Hey, he didn't get charged $500! I am outraged! He shoulda been charged $500! -- Oh wait -- you DID charge him $500? Okay, cool."
Felony DUI homicide: Rich guy posts $50,000 bail, walks until trial. Poor guy can't post bail, rots in jail for four months before trial. Can you not grasp the disparity?
I understand that, on its face, bail is easy for wealthy defendants and hard to impossible for poor ones. Reality is, though, that bail bondsmen only require 10% to cover it and they allow property as collateral. They also allow other people to pledge for the defendant. If a person is assigned a bail of $50,0oo, that means he needs $5,000 total from his entire circle of family and friends, and they don’t have to put up cash-a car title will work. If a defendant can’t come up with enough people willing to pledge (not pay, just pledge) that amount, he’s almost definitely a flight risk or worse. Is the system perfect? No. Does it have the potential to ensnare an innocent person because he knows no one? Possibly. Is the alternative a revolving door of criminals, many of whom go out to intimidate or harm potential witnesses or settle scores before being sent away? Absolutely. Ask someone who lives in cities where bail had been eliminated. Ask someone in a city where shoplifting, vagrancy, squatting, public indecency and drug use have been decriminalized. Ask a New Orleans native how their requirement of ‘release if no indictment occurs by x date’ law affects prosecution. (All these policies are born of the same attempt to ‘help the poor’ but have no plan for their impact upon quality of life for those who aren’t the arrested ‘poor’). Bail isn’t a perfectly fair solution but the alternative is much worse. You can’t just end it; come up with an alternative. Patrick As for the death penalty: there are many, many people on my list of ‘need help and advocacy’ ahead of murderers whose crime was so aggravated or heinous that their conviction justifies it.
Why is the poor guy as you call him wasting his money on alcohol,,,,,,, AW he more than likely stole it and the car... FWIW Im a firm believer in the death penalty.... Sell illegal drugs,,,, Armed robbery.... home invasion. car jacking ETC.... I dont care if a Criminal served his or her time. they should be swinging from a rope Steal a candy bar BRAND them on the forehead .... That why the general law abiding person can see that they could be in the vicinity of a thief.
Ouch, Dude, glad you were not the presiding judge in any of my cases. I'd be tattooed and or dead. Everyone at the nationals would know of my past and keep their distance fo sure. I did get several ROR bonds and I went right out and drove without a license again or smoked/ sold more weed. I paid a cash bond and did the same. I got arrested and bonded out 3 times in one day. (DWLSR) One day there was an awakening , while after months in the service of the county, that this was not the path I wanted to travel the rest of my life. As for the spanking, agree not all kids need it. My daughter learned from seeing her brother get his butt whooped, what not to do and I cant remember ever having to spank her. So maybe I got a 2-4-1 deal!
Weed Dealer.... Come on Weed should have never been illegal..... The SKUM bags that made Weed illegal should be hung including their off spring... Selling, or smoking weed is about bad as brewing or drinking beer. Just dont drink or smoke and drive.
Jim stated the concept, don't do the crime and you don't have to worry about it. So Steve since you are so passionate about defending poor people who commit crimes what are you doing to help them? I would assume you could afford bail so you are one of the well to do you seem to have so much disdain for. Don't you feel guilty about living a privileged life? If not, why not? What stops you from committing a crime? Why can't others make the same decisions? How many chances should someone get? The list can go on and on. On the original subject, I went to Burger King this weekend, my bill was $6.37, I gave the girl $6.52 and got the correct change back. So we are not totally over the cliff. The register probably figured it out for her though.
