... the gnx would win hands down guys... the times you all have been quoting have been stage ones.. not gsx's. i read somewhere that the rear spoiler put too much downforce (something like 200lbs. @ 100mph.) to make it fast. please correct me if im wrong -Josh
this is simple auto vs auto = gnx wins stick gsx [good driver] vs auto gnx [no sticks] =gsx wins settled Tony
.... i like dots as you will see in my post hey driver2 when where those tests on the times for the GSX done????? later on or right of the show room floor.......:error: getting diffrent tires for the GSX(which were probably changed if tested later) wouldnt be keeping the cars all stock then is it??? so dont give me any of that "IF" crap you gave me earlier :Smarty: 231 X 2 = 462 (real close to the 455 thats been bored 30 over) 275bhp and 360 ft lbs of torque in the 231 V6 around 420bhp(360 rated) and 510 ft lbs of torque out of the 455 stage1 V8 i still think thats better than the GSX because even with two more cylinders the GNX would still have less HP AND TORQUE...........and if it did have those two more cylinders it would walk all over the GSX then walk around the block before the GSX would finish p.s. i dont remember seeing all that much plastic on the GNX besides the bumper fillers...... and i do remeber the body being made of steel also with the frame..... (WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH "ALL STEEL" FOR THE GSX AND ONLY "PLASTIC" FOR THE GNX???? THAT WAS A LAME STATEMENT YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT HERE AND I AM DISAPOINTED YOU SAID THAT THEY ARE REALL CLOSE IN WEIGHT) TAKE A LOOK AT THE HP AND TORQUE RATINGS AND EXPLAIN HOW THE GNX SHOULD EVEN BE RUNNING AGIANST THE GSX IN TIMES...THEY ARE ALMOST THE SAME WEIGHT p.p.s. and i do want to mention that GM did a press shoot with the news with the GNX and the TWIN TURBO CALLAWAY 'VETT in a 1/4 mile shoot out... GNX walked all over the 'vett and still had time where he could shut it down and coast to a win....which was a total suprize to everyone except BUICK:laugh::jd::laugh::jd::laugh::jd::laugh: like i said... which you cant seem to figure out how the hell is a V6 with keeping up with your big block 455?????? the 3800 series engine was started in the sixtys and is still in use today. Dont forget the engine was also used in indy cars..... is your 455 still in use or ever put in a car that is driving around a 11 thousand RPM??? no its only in the Buick Blackhawk and thats a modern verison..... economy and power.... V6 is my choice but dont get me wrong the V8s are great engines, i am starting off with V8 and i love it more than anything
Let's not compare Apples to Oranges! A '70 GSX with a 455 Stage 1 engine (360HP/510ft.lbs. Torque), 800(?) cfm CARBURETOR, TH400 (No "factory Shift Kit" ) or 4 speed Manual, 15" wheels/tires, NO "factory installed" traction control. An '87 GNX with a "special" Turbocharged 231 V6 (275HP/360ft.lbs. Torque), ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION, "special" TH200/4R (4 speed Automatic) with "Valve Body Modifications", "special" PRom Programming (modified computer chip to control engine/trans. performance/efficiency), Torque Arm (for Traction), Panhard Bar (for Traction), 16" ALLOY Wheels/Tires (FOR TRACTION)! COMPARE the Two! You CAN'T! V8 vs. V6 (Turbo or No Turbo)? V8=HP AND TORQUE!!! NO comparison, unless you can get it to the GROUND! Carburetor vs. Fuel Injection? EFI= Instant Throttle Response TH400 vs. TH200/4R? TH200/4R=4speed Automatic! NO comparison, due to an "extra" gear for more Top Speed!!! 4 speed Manual vs. TH200/4R? TH200/4R=Automatic Shift points, controlled by vehicle Computer! NO comparison!!! 15" wheels/tires with 455 vs. 16" wheels/tires with 231 V6? 16" wheels/tires=MORE TRACTION (WIDER TIRES)!!! NO Traction control vs. Torque arm/Panhard bar? What do YOU think? Etc., Etc. We could go on and on, but these are 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARS, so you can't say that one is "better" than the other. Change it around to make it more "even" then, like put the 15" Wheels/tires on the GNX, and the 16" Wheels/tires on the GSX, and see what difference that makes, FIRST of all. Then start "balancing" the cars out, until they're the closest that they're going to get. Hard to say, but I'd Still go with the V8, because what you Improve with that, you Take away from the other, and because the engine is BIGGER, it is just a lot EASIER to MOVE 3800 lbs!!
I'll just take both, please... But in all honesty, I'd rather have a sleeper 455 Skylark and a Sleeper 86-87 Turbo T than a GSX and a GNX.
If you took 2 GNX's and just replaced the v6 in one with a stock 70 stage 1, it would walk all over the v6 car. But stock car to stock car is not a fair race, the GSX has **** for tires, 15 inch wheels, no tractions control devices, and either a poorly geared 4speed or a HP robbing TH400. If you just updated a GSX so it was a fair race it would kill a stock GNX
Thanks Thank you guys for sharing your imagination with me. I was extremely curious about the performance of both cars because I'll never own one to experience it (not on a teacher's salary p ). I have a 455 I'm prepping for my '79 T/A, but I pondering over using a turbo charged v6 (if it is possible). Again, thanks for the advice:beer .
Is that possible? That's alot of torque:Brow: . Is there a combo for a turbo 455 that will live as a daily driver?
I've seen twin turbo'd 455s and 455s with two superchargers on them in magazines. Lots of room under an A-body's hood, too:Brow: It can't be cheap to do.
[Who owns these cars and would be up to PROVE it, once and for ALL, anyway? Depends on Driver's skill, too, not just about the CAR!:TU: [/QUOTE] I've got a basically bone stock 87GN with a GNX chip, 15K miles, original but worn tires. Also a slow RT. Living overseas gives me an excuse to put a better driver in. Who's got a GSX, and when should we go. My car is in Chicago area.
there was a little disagreement about a 64 hemi polara running in the 11's in stock form, and if i recall, someone posted a reply saying that that was incorrect. While I don't know for sure if that particular number is accurate, I can say that it wouldnt be too far off. Remember that there are 3 different type of Mopar Hemis (well, three BASIC types, theres lotsa variations). The Early Hemis that went into the old 300 models ran in the late 50's. I cant remember the exact displacements, but depending on which version you got (chrysler, plymouth or dodge) they were all in the mid to high 300's as far as displacement went. These were impressive for their day but were killed because of expense to produce, and the development of newer engines. And of course, everyone knows about teh infamous Street Hemis, the classic 426 of the late 60's. I wont go into a lot of details, cuz most guys already know what these can do. The Street Hemi didn;t debut intil 66 if i recall, but in the mid 60's, before the Street Hemi, there was the Race Hemi. I think they started them in 64. they were the same basic architechture as teh later Street Hemi, but with a few major differences, namely a bigger cam (try 328* duration and .565 lift!!! talk about a lumpy idle!!), aluminum heads, madnesium intake, and most notably, something like 12.5 : 1 compression. These engines were designed and built solely for racing, and were not intended for street-car use, although it was possible to go into a mopar dealership and order your car with a Race Hemi. My dad is actually looking to buy a 64 wagon that came from the factory with a 64 race Hemi (theres original build sheets and everything). So if a 64 polara had been ordered with the Race Hemi, it would technically be a "stock car" and its not too hard to imagine one of these boogie-ing down the track with low 12 or high 11 second quick-times, especially if it had the factory optional aluminum/fiberglass body panels, heater delete, etc. etc. Man, I can;t imagine the kinda power, this was the same enigne that swept places 1-2-3-4 at daytona in 64, and was subsequently outlawed by NASCAR. Thats actually the reason they made a street-hemi, they had developed the engine purely for racing, and had to make up their money somehow since they couldnt race it anymore, so they de-tuned it for street use. Sorry for the little history lesson, but I have been and always will be a big MOPAR fan (don't shoot me, I like my Buicks more, but the old Mopars are pretty cool too).
Sure there were a few factory lightweights made but if you want to talk REAL cars..... I used to race against a 1969 Charger 500 Hemi all the time at the local strip with my 1970 Stage 1 GSX. We were both stock with MH Racemasters and we were always within a tenth or so. 13.40s at 102 for me, he usually ran 13.50s at 104. Both cars weighed about the same. No AC...both automatic. He had 3.54 gear, I had 3.64. He had 2 fours, I had one QJet. He sold it when someone offered him $35k (in 1988). Probably worth twice that now! I sold my X when I got divorced 5 yrs ago for $18K. Bruce
Factory Hemi's were not running 11s when they came out in the 60s. My Dad was racing a Buick and was sponsored by a Buick dealer even back in those days and a low 12 car was usually a Super Stock and not a stock class car. They were very limited by tire technology. As for the GSX VS GNX. Both being bone stock off the showroom floor with no tuning The GNX would easily waste the GSX. Most auto equipped Stage 1 455s were good for high 13s off the showroom floor. The 13.38 et from Motor Trend was a specially tuned car on cheater slicks not street tires. Put slicks on both cars rejet the gsx and increase the timing then place a chip in the GNX. The GNX will still smoke the big block. Even in todays world the World recorder holder in NHRA super stock for the fastest Super Stock car is a Buick V6 owned by John Gallina. he is over 1/2 a second quicker than the quickest Hemi Super stocker currently running. As for the wieght difference there would be somewhere around 300 pounds difference between a GSX and GNX. Most fully optioned GNX's will weigh over 3600 easy. My big block car weighs 3680 without me in it. My front wheel driver Regal GS weighs 3560 without me and runs high 13s with only a pulley and air intake change. I'll always stick with my V8 for my racecar but I will give credit where it is due. I believe the quickest V6 is in the 6s in the 1/4 mile. AKA Kenny Duttweiler.
THANKS, KEVIN!:bglasses: That's what I've been TRYING to say all along! They are NOT "EQUAL" vehicles, so it wouldn't be a "fair" race, Performance wise or Otherwise! :TU:
