Gotta be more specific than that, like what year and what car, even what size Hemi (426 wasn't the first Hemi Chrysler made)but like I posted, a 1964 Polara with a 426 Hemi was clocked at 11.40 seconds at 125mph, in stock form, faster than the best et for a stock GSX Stage 1 I have ever seen, 13.38 seconds at 105.5 mph. It's also worth noting that there was a non-Hemi 426, it was based on the 413 wedge but bored out to 426. Very few if any parts interchange between the two. I have read articles on 'grudge match' type races between modified GS Stage1s and Hemi 'Cudas were the Buick won, but I've also read about the Buick losing
How about the the Year of 1970. I remember seeing an OLD Magizine cover showing a Hemi (Unsure what model) and a GSX Stage 1 going head to head in a quarter mile. However, I was 15 at the time and still do not know the answer. (Now I'm 33.) Maybe it was the Cuda o No:
Motor Trend claimed a 13.70 @ 101.2 mph with a 3.55:1 rear Car Craft claimed a 13.10 @ 107 mph with a 3.54:1 Suregrip rear Did CC grab a tailwind? Who knows...
re....Buick Stg1/GSX Vs - LS6 / Hemi / etc etc etc...... You know what you never hear ?? Its right there in the article thats linked above but you have to add 2+2 to see it ALL OF THE OTHER TOP-DAWG OFFERINGS WERE BASICALLY DESIGNED FOR RACING AND HAD TOP-PICK OF THE BEST PARTS AVAILABLE Chevy LS6 - FROM THE FACTORY - 11.25:1 compression Aluminum this and that, holley carb.....special hand assembled rotating assy's.....4.xx gears - rated at 450 HP !!! Hemi - same thing plus factory header-like exhaust manifolds, Hi-Rise 2X4 BARREL intake...etc.etc.etc. - rated 425 hp ------------------------------------------- Buick - Take Grandma's Electra motor, put a little bigger valves in the head and alittle more bump in the cam, rejet the same quadrabog, 3.64 gears, and retime the distributor..... .....then stuff it into an A-body and go kick some ASS !!!
Hey what can I say? Maybe it's a typo in their book, but according to the auto editors of consumer guide, in their book, The Great Book of Muscle Cars that is the et and speed for the car. I didn't man the timing gear and I wasn't there, so I have to rely on research material to give me info. The book is ISBN 0-88176-042-0 if you'd like to look it up.
Chris - your memory serves you well. Buick had 2 Stage II GS's in '70 - a red one and a white one (Jan '94 MuscleCars magazine). 1/4 mi. ET's 10.6 according to the article. Mike
Chris.....not blaming you... I know it's tough not to believe the magazines but sadly they are often working from misinformation themselves.....and many of the writers were not even born in 1970. The few stock Stage 2 that were Buick test mules ran high 11s. Even that was with slicks and open headers. The 10.6 is what Pop Kennedy's modified Stage 2 ran with all the tricks of the time. Bruce
Believe Car & Driver's roadtest of the GNX was in the dead of the Michigan winter...no icebags under the hood :Brow: Chris, Most of the "stock" quickest musclecar times have been compiled, in the form of 50 fastest & 100 fastest over the years. Some stripper type/high horse models were never tested by the magazine boys, so any such list is open for interpretation :Brow: In reading your earlier list, can comment the 12 sec '68 Hurst Olds has got to be modified to run those kind of times. Would be nice to see a 12 sec PureStock 455 Olds :shock: Roger
Oh, you're correct, no question. I hadn't intended the list to be exclusively 'stock' cars; that part of my list shows car that were equipped with factory or non-factory high numeric rears, and cars that were thinly disguised race cars. The GSX and GNX we were dicussing were stock cars, but my list had stock AND modified cars, with the addition of the H/O. To the best of my knowledge, the other cars all had optional factory equipment or dealer installed equipment. The H/O had neither, really. The '68 H/O was never a Oldsmobile production car, but rather a copy of a car built as a toy for Mr. Hurst. It was not a standard car- don't forget, the Toronada 455 wasn't a production engine at the time, and there was still a Corporate Ban on engines larger than 400 cid in effect for GM intermediates in 1968. Technically you could argue that it wasn't a 442, and there is even evidence such as the non-corporate approved use of the 455 that you could say it was exactly what it was called, a "Hurst/Olds", and not a true Oldsmobile at all. Must have been another loophole in the system, like the one that created the GTO.
TOO CLOSE!!!1 ive seen articals saying GSX ran like 14 to 15 sec 1/4... and i have seen articals saying they are in 12's and 13's...... in 70 its too close to call alot of the cars are really close engine and rear end wise...... BUT i have to say a GNX WOULD WIN OVER THE GSX THAT V6 ISNT JUST A V6 ITS THE V6 FROM HELL!!!!!!!!!! :af: :af: :af: :af: :af: :af: :af: :af: its got a longitudinal torque ladder bar with a panhard rod, a ceramic turbo impeller, ceramic coated turbo pipes for heat reasons,intercooler puts out 275 hp AND 360ft.lbs. OF TORQUE!!!!!!!!!!!! thats with no mods and 15 psi of boost .... if you got an ajustable wastegate..... and set it to about 22 psi you would be a sec of a viper quarter mile time so it would be about 12.3....... sorry to disapoint you :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Frustration and the ruination of two collector cars' values for non matching numbers. One thing to remember as well is that a GSX could have a Stage 1 455, a 455, or a 350. Could a 350 powered GSX be the cause for that 15 second quarter mile, I wonder? The 13.38 second quarter was with the 1970 Stage 1 engine. I should hope that 15 or 17 years later, there were faster cars like the GN and GNX.
You are right. We shouldn't destroy the value of the car. Hypothetically speaking, if such a transformation take place with all things being stock, which would be the fastest?
Re: TOO CLOSE!!!1 :shock: OOh. :eek2: 275HP AND 360ft.lbs. of Torque? Wow. That's a "little more" than HALF of a ('70) 455!:grin: Let's compare WEIGHT of BOTH CARS, too: An "ALL STEEL" GSX vs. a "PLASTIC" GNX. Hmm. I don't know, could be close.o No: With what YOU said, (and I quoted YOU): You've "seen articles" about a "12 and 13 sec." GSX (which we ALL have), AND you even give a time for a GN that would be your "estimate" of "12.3" AFTER you said "IF you got an adjustable wastegate", which makes it irrelevant, because it's NOT "STOCK", anymore, after that!:Smarty: "IF" (the KEYWORD, "IF", and REMEMBER, we're talking STOCK, so there are NO "IF's" to be used). "IF" the GSX had a FIBERGLASS hood, Fenders, Trunk, Bumpers... "IF" the GSX had an ALUMINUM 455 Block/Heads... "IF" the GSX had... That's not "stock", anymore. (and the GNX WOULDN'T have a CHANCE, "IF" you did all that to the GSX, and left the GNX "STOCK", or the other way around, too.) Get it? "IF you got an adjustable wastegate...." DOESN'T FIT IN THIS DISCUSSION, "IF" we're talking about "STOCK"! IT'S STILL A 12.something SECOND 1/4 MILE, so HOW CAN EITHER BE "FASTER", IF THEY "BOTH" RUN 12's?!o No: Even if one IS "FASTER", IT WON'T BE BY MUCH! WHO CARES, anyway? THEY'RE BOTH BUICKS, so there will NEVER be a "WINNER", because they both use DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY/MATERIALS!ou: Not arguing, as long as a BUICK wins, I don't really care WHICH one, but I'd like to SEE IT FOR MYSELF, TOO!:Brow::bglasses: I'm betting on the Big Block, though, "IF" it's a "FAIR" race!:TU::grin: Who owns these cars and would be up to PROVE it, once and for ALL, anyway? Depends on Driver's skill, too, not just about the CAR!:TU:
I still stand by them being about even, and a lot of a GNX is steel... both weigh about 3800lbs IIRC.
