Have you ever had a Toyota or a Nissan truck? Sounds like you haven't, and you are trying to compare something you know nothing about. As stated before I did own a GM truck, and that thing was a turd. I bought it new. I can count the number of small problems I have had with my Toyota on my left hand. Heck, I couldn't even count the number of problems with my GMC with both hands, my toes, and both testicles. Foreign junk. You keep buying your GM junk, and I'll keep buying my Toyota quality. Do a google search on "piston slap" or "wiper failure" and tell me which result comes up, GM or Toyota. Please feel free to post when your power seat quits working, power mirrors stop working, and when your 4L60E loses overdrive or reverse. Please don't reduce another vehicle to "junk" until you have done your research. :Smarty:
I've been told that if the Toyota is built at NUMMI (www.nummi.com), it is a contractural agreement to get some GM parts put in it, such as battery and alternator, as they are in a partnership with them.
Same old story being repeated here. Someone gets a bad product, and they have to tell the entire world all about their problems, over and over and over again. uzzled: Then by some sort of osmosis, every similar product, be it a truck, car, toaster, or whatever, becomes just another piece of crap to be avoided at all costs. I believe that most vehicles produced by whichever manufacturer you care to consider, are good solid vehicles. Most people will not talk about good cars for perhaps fear that it may jinx theirs. I bought my 96 Chev Z-71 with 155,000 kms (96,000 miles) 3 1/2 years ago. I've put 40,000 kms or 25,000 miles on it, and I've had the intake gaskets and fuel pump replaced. Still has the same plugs from when I bought it, starts every time in winter, no matter how cold it gets. All I've done is regular oil changes/grease etc. It has been everything I wanted in a truck and more, towing my 65 GS some 1700 miles home last winter. It's a snow demon, hasn't met a drift it can't handle, and I will buy another GM or Chev truck in the future, probably used though.
Excuse me, but ,I have owned a few Toyota's and my stepson owns a '99 Nissan that is falling apart,rusting junk.His bed floor is rusted out already and we don't live in the saltbelt! That great Nissan engine leaks oil,slightly smokes,and makes ticking sounds when it is running.The oil is changed regularly and it only has 90,000 on it.Toyota's/Nissans are overrated,chinsy pieces of crap. GM replacement parts are pricey but Toyota/Nissan parts are much more. I work on all sorts of vehicles and the ones that we seem to do mechanical repairs on the most, are Ford, Toyota,Nissan, and Dodge. In that order.There is bound to be one bad apple in any bunch.All manufacturers are guilty of that. I guess I have been lucky. This is a free country and you can buy what you want. I'll buy what I want. Also, the shop I work at does collision repair.The Jap crap does not fare well in a collision.As far as structural integrity goes, most GM's,BMW,Mercedes,Fords seem to hold up the best.The worst that I have noticed would be Nissan,Kia,Toyota and most other Jap/Korean vehicles.I would much rather have my butt in a GM Ford,Dodge,German built vehicle during a crash,then anything else.
i like GM cars. my mother's 1992 roadmaster is approaching 259,000 miles, only thing i've replaced was the alternator(last week)
I'm looking on the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's website, http://www.iihs.org, and I see that the Toyota Tundra has a better crash test rating than a Chevrolet Silverado of the same model year. The Tundra gets an overall evaluation of "good", while the Silverado gets an overall evaluation of "marginal." I also notice the Toyota Camry slightly nudges above the Impala's crash test rating to earn a "best pick." The Toyota Tacoma also gets a higher rating than the Chevy Colorado and earns a "best pick." Don't believe me? Just go to http://www.iihs.org, and select a vehicle from a drop down box to see its rating. Now, could you please show me proof that a Toyota fares worse in a collision that a similar GM product other than your opinion? The facts show a different story.
Junkman, I like what your saying about the cars that you have seen in wrecks. The car is supposed to absorb the shock and stresses of a crash. Not the driver! Therefore, I would expect cars with better safety ratings looking worse after an accident. Has anyone brought up the fact that here in America there are 75 million baby boomers. When that 75 million retires there are only 45 million to take the place of that 75 million. Many companies are also readjusting there workforce to compensate for this imbalance. Irregardless of who makes a better car, it appears in 10 yrs or so those who want to work will work. Later
Man, I can't believe this stuff. Alright, you guys are right and I am wrong. GM builds the biggest pieces of crap in the world and they should just shut their doors and be done with it.Followed by Ford and Chrysler. Toyota is the A #1 car and truck manufacturerer in the whole wide world and everyone else is crap. We all should just send our GM ,Ford and Chrysler junk to the scrapyard and run right out and buy new Toyota's since the insurance industry and Consumer Guide and everyone else says that Toyotas are the best! I am through here
Yeah this is very sad. I knew this was going to happen, about the same time Mike first posted this thread. So sad.... :ball: good-bye 3800 engine, one of the best engines ever produced by GM. GM- what are you doing? ou: :blast: :blast: :spank: :spank: O-well. The way they are going now, I doubt they'll ever come out with the 2007 Buick GNX. O-well.
The writing has been on the wall for years now and now Delphi gets to prove their point to the UAW. Belonging to the UAW or any other union does not guarentee employment. Get rid of 30K people and close plants too? No matter how mis-managed it appears, being the employer GM has every right to make the calls as to the running of the business. For decades the above average hourly rates at GM have always been explained by the UAW in terms of whether or not GM could AFFORD them. Not once have I ever heard a union rep say that the wages they are demanding are JUSTIFIED. The UAW can complain about how much management makes all it wants. GM or Delphi does not have to pay the hourly workers in the same proportion that upper management is paid. They only have to offer an hourly rate that they think is fair and competitive in the market. They owe nothing more than a fair days pay for a fair days work. Plain and simple. That's the reality of the real business world. It's no different than the any other line of work. As a result if you don't think the company is stable enough nor pays fairly than you are free to seek employment elsewhere. Did GM have good years? You bet! In the real business world when a company has good years it rewards it's hourly workers with a bonus (which GM folks have seen some pretty nice ones over the years). Again, they are not obligated to do so. It is a gesture of goodwill and a way of saying thanks to it's employees. But having a good year doesn't mean the company is obligated to raise your wage. And yes, sadly the opposite is harsh. When times are tough they have every right to ask or demand that you take a pay cut. It sounds as if the automotive business is going to start operating like the ones most of us are in. It's sad that it has come to this. GM and Delphi will continue but it will be on their terms or those of the bankruptcy court.
I couldn't agree more! GM has refined this motor into one of the best powerplants out there, and now they are going to pull the plug on it. STUPID! I know someone with a newer Lesabre that gets 30+ on the highway with that 3.8, which is much better than what I get with the 3.4L in a smaller GM car. Plus, it's more reliable. I think part of what makes the japanese motors so much more reliable (don't bother arguing that point with me, you won't get anywhere) is that they tend to reuse designs and refine them into newer designs, rather than starting completely from scratch. It also seems that the initial defects are fewer and are taken care of in a much more timely manner. GM is infamous for ignoring quality issues. They go into "DENY DENY DENY" mode if it isn't a safety issue. I saw a post a couple pages back about Henry Ford doubling his workers' salaries. Take that into the context of the time it was in. Ford was an innovator. His production techniques defined and revolutionized the industry. This gave him the advantage. I think this is very relevant for where we are today. Innovation is the key to becoming the leaders in every area again. Until we realize that in the US in ALL of our industries, we will continue to lose our jobs to foreign workers. Building a smarter product means engineering quality, reliability, and low cost into it, while at the same time hitting your target market square on the head. GM is missing the boat in most of these areas. They don't have a product that appeals to the market. They are plagued with minor defects that put a negative slant on their product. Even if the drivetrains hold up, people get a negative opinion when the trim doesn't fit right, the power accessories stop working, when they have to do regular maintenance items twice as often. These things will nickel and dime you to death! I know this from experience. ________ SHIP SALE
