engine shake on new 383? Normal or cause for concern

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by 72buicklark, Jul 6, 2016.

  1. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    Larry's right, sorry I copied and pasted the wrong cam specs not paying attention. The roller has a more agressive grind and duration
     
  2. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    I agree with bw1339 - use an infared thermometer and shoot the header tubes. Water from a squirt bottle works too. Pull each wire one at a time from the cap with insulated pliers and see if each cylinder drops 100 or so rpm. Shoot a better video too - just hold the camera steady.
     
  3. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    Yeah video sucks, I'll shoot another tomorrow with the phone on a stand. I'll pick up a infared thermometer tomorrow to see what's up.

    Things warrantied and I've let them know the issue. If it wasn't fear of something locking up or causing catastrophic failure when my son was in the car or something I'd run it till something let go and tell them to send
    me another.
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2016
  4. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    Funny thing about you saying to use Insulated pliers as I got 2 good bites today from the distributer
     
  5. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    Make sure you film from idle to about 2500 rpm.
     
  6. SteeveeDee

    SteeveeDee Orange Acres

    That cap is kind of tweaked, but I don't see any carbon tracks, so it should be OK.
     
  7. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    I can't see plug gap causing this but I have them at 30 and just noticed BP calls for a 45
     
  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    No, but .045 is a very safe gap for the GM HEI. You should open up the gap.
     
  9. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    While the heads are cool from sitting over night I'll go Gap them all again and see what they look like at same time. Then head to get a thermometer etc and make a better video at same time
     
  10. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    Switched 4/7 and it ran for a short while then died
     
  11. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Time to check compression.

    Remove all plugs
    Unplug the hot lead to the HEI
    Block the throttle open at least 1/2 way.
    Turn the engine over 5 times for each cylinder, with the gauge installed. Do each one twice, to verify first stroke and final reading.

    Look for at least two cylinders that are low. If you find that, back the rockers off on those two cylinders, and re-test.

    JW
     
  12. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    So far 1 and 3 came out clean. #5 came out very black and sooty
    Here's the comparison 20160710_103817.jpg

    20160710_102329.jpg
     
  13. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    7s dark too but not as bad as 5. Smells like fuel though
     
  14. SteeveeDee

    SteeveeDee Orange Acres

    Probably just got fouled when starting for the first time and dialing the carb in. Did it come with the carb on it? Maybe all you need to do now is clean the plugs and run it.
     
  15. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    No the carb wasn't on it but it's the builders recommendation along with the plugs. Now that I had to take the headers off to get to the plugs etc I'll go borrow a compression tester and see what I get for readings.... not sure how I'll do it alone though
     
  16. bw1339

    bw1339 Well-Known Member

    Looks like you are onto something. Hopefully it's something simple like a bad plug wire.
     
  17. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Yeah, that cam in the engine you linked to is a bit bigger than the first one you listed and will give you a shaky idle but not as much as you have. Vacuum looks like it is around close to what it should be with the bigger cam. Does it jump around more than 2 in. when taking a measurement or is it close to a steady 15?

    Those fouled plugs don't look like they were firing, sometimes like Jim said there may be to much pre-load from the production shop. Their thinking is to go to the high end of the preload spec to cut down on possible valve train noise. I doubt that every engine is dynoed too, you probably got a copy of the sheet of an engine with the same components that was the one engine they dynoed and all with those parts gets that dyno sheet sent with that same type of build. The assembler of your engine could of went a bit further than the high side of the pre-load spec on a couple of cylinders, if it was my engine I would re-do all of them and set them with a 1/2 turn pre-load.

    Can't wait to hear what the compression test and header tube temps are.



    Derek
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2016
  18. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    Thanks for the feedback Derek.

    You may be right but I've seen the same motor make different numbers, every dyno sheet I've seen (and have) has the serial number of the actual unit being dyno'd and the full run with all rpm specs. I've seen the same motor vary + - 15hp. But like you said who knows, guess I'm taking them at they're word.

    Doing compression test now :Brow:

    The vacuum numbers were from when I was getting the carb idle mix dialed in on both metering blocks. I haven't since checked vacuum with it running after the initial tune.
     
  19. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA


    When you set carb, do you remember if the vacuum was steady or jumping around? With the way the video looked the vacuum should of been jumpy as much as the engine was shaky. :puzzled:


    Derek
     
  20. 72buicklark

    72buicklark AKA 68GS383

    It was jittery yeah

    1 3 5 7 almost 150 bang on accros

    2-145 4-150 6-150 8-150

    What do you guys think seems pretty good to me. Now what? Guess get things back together and check header Temps?
     

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