http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=Russia A school in russia has been taken hostage on the first day of school, over 400 people are inside with over 200 of them being young children. :shock: :shock:
Yes, I saw that. Did you see the picture of the Iraq policemen entering the "most holy shrine" They were crying. Now if that doesn't tell you something about thier mental state or lack of it nothing will. Can you imagine what kind of help you can expect for someone that can't control thier emotions. The point of this is that when you are dealing with a hornets nest you can not eliminate a few of them and expect the rest to see your point of view. You have to exterminate the whole nest full. How big is the nest? It depends on how large they want it to be. The first rule of combat is to deny them resources,ie, weapons,shelter, food and support . It seems that we as well as the Russians have forgotten this and I am sad to say that doing so often results in what is called collateral damage. Isn't odd that we were not concerned with collateral damage during world war two when the generals ran the war, yet now that "I have to make everybody happy" politicians are runnig it we have these problems. J.T.
Nothing suprises me anymore in regards to the "Religeon of Peace". Beheadings for Allah... Murdering children for Allah... Blowing up filled buses for Allah... Flying planes into buildings for Allah... I can only imagine what these peace loving folks have planned next in the name of Allah. :af:
This is like fighting the Japanese in WW2. It hard to fight an enemy that wants to die. Killing them doesn't help. Cause they like it.
Last time this happened the terrorists took over a theather. and the answer to solving that problem was to pump gas into the duct system, killing most of the people in side except for the ones who were lucky enough to excape... owen
Really scary for me and my friends and their families as they are over there right now picking up their new 3 yr old adopted son! They are to return to MI on Friday! Hope they are all safe and have a safe trip home!
fox news just reported that a large explosion was heard inside the school in russia. this is believed to be female chechen suicide bombers. to attack children like this is beyond savage, its hard to believe anyone could be so ........., i dont even know a word that fits in this case. henry
12:32pm (UK) Explosions Heard at Russian Siege School "PA" Two explosions were heard near the site of the Russian school siege today not long after President Vladimir Putin pledged to do everything possible to save the lives of more than 350 hostages including children. The blasts were about 10 minutes apart and rang out from the area of the cordoned-off school, followed by a billowing cloud of black smoke rising from the vicinity of the site. The suicide gunmen and women who seized the school yesterday morning had threatened to blow it up if any rescue attempt was made. In his first public remarks since the siege in Caucuses began, Putin said: Our main task is, of course, to save the life and health of those who became hostages. President Bush offered US help to end the crisis but no request was made by the Russians. As negotiators scrambled to find a way out of the tense stand-off, crowds of distraught relatives and townspeople waited helplessly for news of their neighbours and loved ones, their distress sharpened by the sporadic rattle of gunfire from the cordoned-off crisis site in Beslan, North Ossetia. But as talks via phone continued on-and-off throughout the night and morning, details about who the militants are and what they wanted remained unclear. Well-known paediatrician Leonid Roshal, who aided hostages during the deadly seizure of a Moscow theatre by Chechens in 2002, was leading the talks. Russian TV reported that Roshal, whose participation the militants had demanded, offered the gunmen and women a safe corridor out of the school but the offer was declined. Lev Dzugayev, an aide to the North Ossetian president, said that so far the talks have not achieved anything. How the police could end the stand-off without a storming was unclear, but Valery Andreyev, the Federal Security Service (FSB) regional chief said there is no alternative to dialogue. One should expect long and tense negotiations, he added. The school in Beslan, a town of about 30,000, is near the republic of Chechnya where separatist rebels have been fighting Russian forces since 1999 and suspicion in the raid fell on Chechen militants although no claim of responsibility has been made. An official in the joint-command operation for the crisis said on that 16 people were killed 12 inside the school, two who died in hospital and two others whose bodies still lay outside the school and could not be removed because of gunfire and 13 others wounded. One of the dead was a pupils parent who tried to resist the attackers. The raid came a day after a suspected Chechen suicide bomber blew herself up outside a Moscow underground station, killing nine people, and just over a week after 90 people died in two plane crashes that are suspected to have been blown up by Chechen women suicide bombers. The series of attacks were seen as a blow to Putin, who cut short his Black Sea holiday to return to Moscow and postponed a planned two-day visit to Turkey. His delay in making a public statement was characteristic as was his decision to comment on the seizure during a Kremlin meeting with Jordanian King Abdullah rather than in a direct address to the nation. Putin said: We understand these acts are not only against private citizens of Russia but against Russia as a whole. What is happening in North Ossetia is horrible, he said. Its horrible not only because some of the hostages are children but because this action can explode even a fragile balance of interconfessional and international relations in the region. Heavily-armed militants wearing masks descended on Middle School Number One on the opening day of the new school year. Dzugayev said 354 people were seized. Most of the captive children are aged under 14. Little was known about food and sanitary condition inside the school offers to deliver food and water to the hostages were turned down, adding to the distress of the more than 2,000 waiting relatives and friends outside. Many of the parents spent the night at the towns cultural centre a few hundred meters from the school, weeping, pacing and trying to sleep, while the camouflage-clad special forces maintained their positions encircling the school. Just look in the eyes of any person here and youll understand immediately what people are feeling, said Zelim Dzheriyev, 35, as he wiped tears from his eyes. FSB chief Andreyev said elders from Chechnya and Ingushetia had offered to come to the school and act as stand-in hostages for the women and children inside. He also said that some of the militants had been identified, and investigators were attempting to find their relatives and bring them to the school to help in negotiations. From inside the school, the militants sent out a list of demands and threatened that if police intervened, they would kill 50 children for every hostage-taker killed and 20 children for every hostage-taker injured, . Putin pledged five years ago to crush Chechnyas rebels but instead has seen the insurgents increasingly strike civilian targets beyond the republics borders. President George Bush called Putin and condemned the taking of hostages and the other terrorists attacks in Russia. He offered assistance to Russia in dealing with the crisis if requested, but no request had been made so far, the White House said. After an emergency session called for by Russia, the United Nations Security Council condemned the heinous terrorist act and demanded the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages.
They say that that the women suicide bombers are all women who have lost their husbands/families by russian soldiers. Why couldn't these ####ers take over a government building? They'd get more press coverage around the world, I'm not saying that the children are less important to real people, but to governement's, they're not important at all.
it's amazing how the stubborn Russian govt could easily save all these lives and avoid destruction just by negotiating. talking instead of fighting... and they call them "terrorists" to undermine their cause. and to enrage westerners
Whats to negotiate? They the Islamic Radicals that want us all dead...PERIOD. They believe when they kill a non-islamic and die themselves they will be with Alah. Well let's accommodate them by killing them first and send them all off to their never-never land.
This is a pretty powerful message from a Navy Captain. Take This is not very long, and very informative. You have to read the catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again. In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979... that alarm has been ringing for years. US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary. AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP! That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then. It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years. America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism. America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start. Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued. In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept. Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder. The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again. Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep. The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep. And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep. In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world. Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.
Forget the terrorist, we should get the hell out of there and let them kill each other then pick up the pieces.
well "they" in this case would be Chechen separatists.. they are muslim people, but i don't know if they qualify as Islamic Radicals. as far as i know they just want their jailed comrades released. to save so many lives would seem worth it. so you endorse killing people based on their religious beliefs? :shock:
Please do not put words in my mouth. That statement you wrote above, about endorsing killing people based on their religious belief is NOT what I said and is an incorrect statement. I said these Islamic Radicals NOT Islamic people. BIG DIFFERENCE. Regarding your reply you stated, "to save so many lives would seem worth it." Worth what? The lives of innocent children? Or their parents also held in the school? It's these Islamic Radical terrorists that threaten to kill them not the Russians. These people, Islamic Radicals are thugs that hide behind a religion, a religion that they have distorted for their own personal gain. These alleged "Chechens rebels"are people based from the same radical Islamic fanatics, the same that attacked our country and the same that will try to do it again. And you are wrong they are Islamic Radicals, please research it, I have. Let me ask you this. If I believe that a friend of mine is in jail, do I have that right to go into a hospital and threaten to blow it up or cut the throats of children if my friends are not released. Then if I get what I want, what's next...hmm they caved when I threaten to kill children. I'll try it again. They will not stop. Maybe some people can justified that this is in Russia and they have persecuted the Chechen people. But who's to say now that it can't be done in our country, in our cities, in our schools, with our children because they just do not agree on our beliefs at home and abroad. I am sorry that you disagree with me but my friend maybe you should have spent the days and months at ground zero as I did picking up pieces of human flesh that was once part of innocent people that died because of the way they lived their lives...in a free nation. Killed by the same religious based fanatics. And again I am sorry that I may sound harsh I still stand on what I said.
