cant wait for you to try out my old heads Troy, on your engine Should pick up some id think I need to get up there on day and see you guys Jim Gibson and i were chatting about that little 350 of yours the other day in fact I own an low 9 sec street car already Mr Blackwood Look under hi tech for old iron under the heading Nitrous testing Thats the old motor,380 in only ran 10.50s on motor at 8000ft of d/a new one is a little faster :Brow: The Buford is for Sunday drives Come up here ,and ill gladly drag your car down the track with it p
Nick needs to be kicked off the board because he starts arguments all the time.... Have you never heard the saying: If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing? You piss me off because you come on here and on one hand you say it should be easy to run fast with the Buick 350, then you complain that we are not running as fast as you would like. Then Troy states some fast times with his reliable low 12 second Buick 350 powered car and you are still wanting to argue about it. You sold your Buick 350, moved onto a 455 so I am not sure why you feel the need to harrass us and argue about what is good and bad advice with the 350. How about you spend thousands of dollars in R&D, spend your days off learning and making phone calls to gather data and eperiences about the SBB, collect 20 Buick 350s, and build a $20,000 street turbo Skylark and then you can spout off all your gospel on us. Till then, learn your place as a grand stand sitting trouble maker and quit posting here. Just because you have a fast mustang does not give you the right to tell us what to do with our Buick 350s. Here is some good facts about the Buick 350 racers: 1. Yes is takes a lot of time, trial and error, chassis setup and $ to run fast with the Stock Eliminator cars. 2. We can learn a great deal by using the tricks they use with the real world application where we have no RULES to follow. 3. On a decent budget we can build a Buick 350 with ANY camshaft profile we want, have the heads ported as much as we want, use any intake manifold and carb combo we can dream up. 4. By using info and experiences from the fastest SBB engines in the world we can get the results we desire be it a 11 second street car or a 14 second braket racer. 5. Many people jsut want a strong street SBB and that is fine, not everyone feels the need to run a certain time in the quarter mile to enjoy thier car
"Come up here ,and ill gladly drag your car down the track with it p" Well DUH! since when was a tractor NOT able to drag a lighter, quicker car down the track?:TU: Is that with your Apollo, or the Chebby? Got a Buick motor in that Apollo? Jim
Troy and i know each other,and i dont remeber ever putting down troys car? In fact i said he is the one person who gets it actually,and has a good runing car to boot! Does this stuff translate diff into French? ---------- Post added at 04:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:31 PM ---------- Used to work for a old fellow back in the early 90s who loved his tractors i though it was funny how much money he put into them then one day i went over to see his shop,and ill tell you' i was pleaseanlty surprised and admired all the ingenuity they use back in the day to buld them,and now to keep them running long after parts were obselete Ok so you win,i cant beat a tractor in a tug of war lol Oh and the Apollo is (sb)and will be(BB) buick powered by a junk stock rebuilt engine with multiple donor stock comp pistons,unbalanced,diff rods,iron heads, intake, etc :laugh: Just a bunch of crap i guess p Look, i dont dislike or hate anyone Hate is a terrible word to me and should be to most I have said over and over i think its doable to run well with a sbb bUick,but i fail to see alot of them Then i asked why,and waited for a response Some ask to learn,others ask to see what is said Sorry if people see that as more than what it is at face value!
Because you do. Im not trying to be argumetative, Im really not, but have you had your car down the 1/4? Have you ever been in an 11sec street car? Do you know how big a leap going from a 15sec engine to an 11sec engine is? I do, thats why I dont take doing it lightly. Im talking about a N/A 350, no power adders. If you want to climb that mountain, good, I will cheer for you every step of the way and be happy too my toes when you get there.:TU: I really will. But first you have to accept that it will be a real uphill battle. Getting pissed at people just for pointing out the mountain isnt going to make it smaller. Ask Sean if he thinks you can run 11s N/A without high-rpms:laugh: ---------- Post added at 06:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:09 PM ---------- Calm down. Nobody needs kicked off for diagreements. How do we know if we are right if we are never challenged:idea2:
You know, I'm not all that crazy about the Madman either but even a blind pig finds an acorn every now and then. ;-) Jim
What is considered high rpm? Considering what most Buicks turn stock and mildly modified 6000 rpm is pretty high. But not in the chevy world. I shift at 6000 and go thru traps @ around 6000 @ Douglas WY, 6400 @ Topeka KS. Freshening the engine for this season and will now have ported heads and finally going to get to try out that X-Factor intake. Old heads had a gasket match and TA valves, completely untouched bowls. Hoping for another 4 tenthsray:. Wouldn't pull any higher rpm but this combo could go 6400 to 6500 rpm. Still will shift at 6000 though for bracket mode.This car is fully streetable and runs with 3" exhaust too. Troy
Wow..... this turned into insanity. I do not think it is time to kick Nick off he makes good points. He is right, there is no 12 or 11 sec sbb out there unless it is in the super stock, not the same as the street. Sorry Sean you have been on here for over 5 years now and you have put out absolutely nothing as far as a car or an engine capable of anything at the track. I have not seen it. You have a lot of knowledge as you place it here but I see nothing from your camp that is running. You may have spent 20 grand but it does not mean nothing if nobody can't see hear or taste the race gas out the back of your race car if it does not exist. Sorry dude just calling it as I see it, I call it an observation. Your buddy that builds the turbos did the same thing, built the parts, did not prove them at the track but expected us to buy the parts based on a video and a few stomps of the gas, big deal, you want me to buy put it at the track and show me it works good. Nothing against you but you have to put something out there for people to physically see and hear and watch go down the track. Sorry buddy, don't argue with me over this I don't want to hear it. I am really sick of this dumb crap show me the money. TA is doing the same damn thing with the bait of making heads and intake whats it been 5,6,7 years now since that thread started, you know these things take time. As for you Nick I do not believe that a car is running mid 13's with unported heads and stock parts. Don't get me wrong, could be possible but there has to be some very springy stuff in the suspension to get it moving before the timer starts at the track. The only info I can give is what I have used on my car and the first thing I noticed is all Torque convertors are not the same even if rated the same. I used two 3500 stalls and one would footbrake to 3 grand and the other was at 25-2700. The loose one was a tenth faster in the 60 ft. and in the 1/4. Heck Nick, my motor is probably tired now, it has been in there almost 20 years now, I am surprised I still run mid 13's The one thing I have noticed is it does not take much nitrous to pull a lot of power out of my motor. I think I can hit a mid 12 with just a 50 shot. I would like to hear a couple of recipes for a fast sbb motor. Take what I have and give me some ideas on what I should do next. You know mine is not of the norm. There is some work that was done on that motor. I think you know what has been done to mine I have made nothing secret. My engine was built at a real race engine shop when I had it done and they knew how to work on Buick motors. Same place Paul Pirnet had his done in Bedford Ohio at Michaels Racing engines. I think that gymracer01 is the guy that seems to have the 350 figured out and when he gets the new torque convertor in he is going to run some good times. That will be a good runner. The other guy that lives out west I think his avitar is mhgs, I think I have that right he has a fast car but he has not had it at the track and the G-Tec is not a good tool to use for times, throw that out and take it to the track man. I used to take a 2 hour ride to go to Norwalk to race in the Buick nationals and it was at 3 grand all the way there and I would run the piss out of it and drive it another 2 hours to get back home at 3 grand so I do not want to hear about this stupid crap about how no one can get to the track because it is too far. How do you like me now... And now for the rest of the show....
I'm in the process of building a high comp SBB STREET engine 750 q-jet ported TA intake 10:1 static Crower 50259 .499 /.508 226/ 234 Nicely ported heads with big TA valves fully balanced with TRW forged slugs and ARP bolts TA headers Crane XRi points conversion JW 2200-2400 stall 3.73 w/ 28" tires Cold ac and power brakes Any way to economically improve on this combo???
i think the smaller stall will hold you back some,as i think it needs way more cam,but again,it depends on how streetable youd like to be Also thoink MANIFOLD,MANIFOLD,MANIFOLD Oh and a good --750 HOLLEY--- for all the haters Man ,i wish Troy wouldnt have bought my stuff sometimes lol Im gonna miss that little guy(350)
What am I supposed to think about it???? Not many other options.. Streetable?? Yes. it needs power brakes. Any more cam and that starts to be a problem. ---------- Post added at 08:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:02 PM ---------- Guy.. I'm one of the very few that has one of the TT setups dependably running. But there is no reason that there couldn't be plenty more. It's basically a log manifold that allows use of any size turbos and wastegates.. On a basically stock 350 that I screwd together with some home ported heads and the hogged out stock intake it runs 7.67 @ 92.1 with a 2.01 60 in "D".. Guess it's obvious that's 1/8 mile Guess it makes about 500 HP.. This is just a baby quiet running street car with a stock idle.. Oh, and it's fun as hell on the street with325/50 DRs
Without power adders? Im impressed:TU: Almost every small displacement engine Ive seen hit N/A 11s was shifted at much higher RPMs, 7000-8000 range.
Regarding the quench (or squish) situation because of the 350 open chambers, has anyone gone so far as to try stepped pistons as mentioned by Paul (pmuller9) on several occasions? Devon
Yes, I do understand that you are only of a few that have done this. Numbers are correct, to bad you only have 1/8 to work with. You have done a good job with this. But there is more to it than just putting the system in and kicking it to the floor. Maybe you can reply on the trials and tribulations on getting the system in and running correctly.
Thanks Devon for paying attention. The quench issue is mainly for turbulence for detonation resistance and complete combustion. It also pushes most of the charge near the spark plug. This works out great for low to medium power street engines and where gas mileage is a concern. It turns out that for max power the spherical dish does a better job because it centers the force over the piston pin. There is less force trying to rotate the piston which is reduced piston skirt friction. Paul
