Yep, The way i going changing the wording in the list for - you will see that for the most part GM just scaled it all down to fit. is A Buick Milestone first Buick FWD - This wasn’t an Industry first amd was basically just a downsized copy of the 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado. This was not a transverse engine........ I'm also going to add A Buick Milestone/Highlight/first, Industry first/Gm First where applicable through out so that the innovations stand out more. Who knows what the first FWD car was ??
And how is that ridiculous sweetheart? What I also said was ''The LS engine was a clean slate design that borrowed little from any existing engines.'' It should have been a GM Corporate V8 since GM wants to only have ''corporate'' engines anymore and the design had so little to do with a chevy engine anyway. What I was saying for those lacking in reading comprehension was that the LS engine family has more in common with the SBB than a SBC so it was stupid to call it a Gen III SBC:rant: Are there any points that I made in my comparison that are wrong? Or are you just trying to be a doucheo No:
The Cord I think.... Or something French, they've loved wrong wheel drive foreverou: Let the nitt-picking resume:boring:
WVMadman, like I said, giving Buick credit for the LS engines is like giving Oldsmobile credit for the Turbo V6. There also were FWD cars before the Cord. I know Citroen probably was the first to mass produce them, although they came after the first Cord in '29 or so.
Is your reading comp that bad or are you trying to be thick. I never gave Buick ''credit'' for the LS engines. I wrote that there are Buick design influences in the LS engine family, probibly more so than chevy. And yes sweetheart, the Olds Jetfire Turbo (technically a Buick engine) probibly DID influence the Buick Turbo6p Once again are any of my examples of Buick influences in the LS design wrong? Or are you just trying to win the gold in the Special Olympics:sleep:
As I said, probiby something French. ''According to various sources, sometime between 1895 and 1898 Grf & Stift built a voiturette with a one-cylinder De Dion-Bouton engine fitted in the front of the vehicle, powering the front axle. It was thus arguably the world's first front-wheel drive automobile, but it never saw mass production, with only one copy ever made. In 1898, Latil, in France, devised a front-wheel drive system for motorising horse-drawn carts''
If you don't like me using your quotes as evidence to make my point, then you should either clarify or retract them. There is no room to be rude or a keyboard kommando and ruin the thread.
thats the one i was looking for, glad you found the dates - I could only remember it was just after the Seldon patent 1895 which was also FWD - but no car was built , would have had to find it again. New Question Cadillac gets credit for the first mass produced V8 in 1914, Oldsmobile gets credit for starting the modern V8 revolution in 1949 with the rocket. when /what car series was really the first to put the V8 into production. was really had
What evidence and whats your point sweetheart? All youve done is take a few posts that had nothing to do with you out of context and follow every post I make with snide comments.:rant: And how much more clear do I have to be. Go buy a dictionary if you dont know what influenced means. Heres a hint, just because Motorhead influenced Metallica dosnt mean Lemmy gets the credit for creating Metallica. God deliver me from the nitt-pickers ray:
Ok guys if your just going snip at each other This thread is over for me - looks like the others gave up on it too.
WV Madman posts: "What evidence and whats your point sweetheart?'.... "Or are you just trying to be a douche" V8 Buick Board Rule #1 says: "While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, offensive language, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters." Now that we have called this to your attention, we trust we are not going to see any more posts like this.uzzled:
Blah blah blah. 442 is just pissy because he's on a Buick board and people are discussing milestones in Buick history. He's just really used to the ROP board. Here's credit where it's due. Olds managed to make the center cylinder exhaust ports almost combined, which makes it really difficult to make headers that fit right. Buick on the other hand managed to make really odd shaped exhaust ports that leave 4 distinct tubes which don't fit right. And the first front wheel drive was probably something like this Which is from the 1860's and is French. Even their bikes were wrong wheel drive ou: As for the list you should throw in something about GM using the "speed alert" system. It was way ahead of its time and will soon be coming back in a digital gps version I bet.
Hey what do you know http://www.speedalert.com.au/mediacoverages/LiveScience_14th_June_2006.pdf They didn't even bother to change the name. Wonder when this incredible new technology will find its way into cars :laugh:
Id like to say Im sorry to StageTwo for disrupting his thread. And to V8Buick for getting out of line. Just having a bad day and overreacted to being followed around and nitt-picked on the one website that usually lifts my spirits.
With all this talk about Buicks heritage, history, etc, I just had to point out a few important details. Fact: I can't walk into a new car dealership and buy a "new-BUICK" and haven't been able to for sometime. I could buy a vehicle that has a Buick-"emblem" stuck on it, but it's not a Buick and be rest assured I darn sure won't. In '08 I had to buy a BMW No new Buicks available for me to consider! So I wonder how so-called Buick people could even mention these new GM vehicles with Buick name ONLY stuck on them in the same sentence? Really-people... it's a slap in the face to our cars, the glory days and the Buick name and heritage! Oldsmobile people can now hold their heads up proud, their name isn't being butchered like a dead horse! Oh and the new turbo regal, BARF... I ray: for the day I wake up, turn on the news and they announce the Buick name is DEAD!! Every time I get on here people are talking about a new car with a Buick emblem slapped on it, or supporting some people that are on the board bragging how they are putting a chevy motor in their Buick body. Hey it's your car, screw it up if you want, just stick to the chevy-LS boards. 2006 nationals all week long there was Lucernes out there racing all week, AND they let a guy with chevy motor in a t-type race all week to. I should be able to bring in a Regal with a Ford or Mopar engine and race it,, same principle! Where is the loyalty? I swore I would NEVER return to the GS Nationals and I never will!!! Ended a 16 yr era for me Point to all my rambling, just stating FACT!! Where is the BRAND-LOYALTY?
Well, I've done worse things and I appreciate your apology. BTW, what are "cathedal intake ports?" Also, your list is very informative and welcome, robs71redriv. Doesn't matter to me if it's not specific to any questions I posted; it's along the same lines of interest I have. What about aluminum brake drums? Any other make do that before disc brakes came along?
The only way to tie the new engines to the Buicks is to show that the Buick 3.8 influenced the "Venture V-6". Since that engine never went into production it'll be hard to show a direct line of progression without actually contacting any of the design team. Looks like Alan Hayman may be the guy who would know, unless you can track down Volker Harhaus himself. By the way I always say that a car is the Buick or Olds version of the Chevy so and so. Most people only seem to recognize the Chevy version anyway. Not anything new though. I had an '84 Lesabre that was a version of the Chevy Caprice and had an Oldsmobile engine in it. The '57 Belair and the '57 Roadmaster share a common design with different trim and motors. GM has been rebadging a single car since they stopped allowing people to buy the chassis and bring it to Fisher for a custom coach. No point getting upset over it almost 100 years later.
