Barroom car trivia:

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by 1972Mach1, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Couple of "peeves" of mine, Buick related.

    The first being the ST300 2 speed being called a "Powerglide".

    The second being the ST300 and ST400 (ST) being synonymous with the "Switch Pitch" (or as known in Buick Corporate World as the Variable Pitch Torque Converter). "ST" stood for "Super Turbine" the name Buick used for the 300 and 400 Hydromatics, and later followed suit with GM as the TH(M)-400. But the "ST" never was the indicator of a "Variable Pitch" transmission.

    The third, being the 300 V8 (and sometimes the 215 v8) being called "Nailheads" because the valve covers give the appearance similar to the Nailhead.

    Little irritants. But to be fair and honest, nobody knows everything. :)
     
  2. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    That's correct, it even had a taller deck height that the other BBC engines they also had a tall deck 427 BBC truck engine. They had a 10.200" tall deck while the others were 9.800" tall. The Chevrolet performance dealer parts counter 572 also sports the taller deck height.

    There are a lot more examples of different manufacturers that changed the deck height on many other engine platforms for various reasons. For example the above 366 more than likely had the taller deck height to make the weight of the rotating assembly heavier so it would make more low end torque. The sbb 350 also used this strategy to get the low end torque higher because of its relatively small bore just like the BBC 366, both under 4.00".

    Other makes shortened the deck on some of their engines for weight savings because with the shorter stroke on some of them the extra deck height wasn't necessary.
     
  3. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    On the BMW logo, I believed that too, until about 10 years ago I had a BMW motorcycle nut give me a dissertation on why it wasn't correct. Here is a link to the real meaning behind it:

    At the same time new symbol was colored blue and white which were official colors of Bavarian Free State. However it turned out that it was impossible to use national colors for trademarks in accordance with existing laws which prohibited using such tones for any commercial purposes during that period of time. That is why for some time it was not used as the main logo of the company. This fact explains why the majority of people mistakenly think that BMW badge is connected with spinning propellers.

    Link: http://www.car-brand-names.com/bmw-logo/

    Ford had a 332" and 352" version of it's FE (along with many others), which most people only remember 390/427/428. They also had a 370" version of the 385 series 429/460.


    Here's a strange one: Cadillac actually started after Henry Ford got in a dispute with his investors and left his Henry Ford Company behind, which became Cadillac. He kept the rights to his name and started the Ford Motor Company after that. Cadillacs didn't become GM products until 1909. The Dodge brothers were also parts suppliers for the the Ford Motor Company, and John Dodge was vice president.
     
  4. WQ59B

    WQ59B Well-Known Member

    ^ The 'Henry Ford Company' (actually his 2nd company after the Detroit Automobile Co) was being liquidated, and Leland was brought in to assess the remains. It was Leland that recommended they use his engine and regroup. Leland had been building engines, primarily for power boats, since about 1890.
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    There was a 1-dealer package on the 1960 Pontiac where the model was renamed 'Mustang'. Luckily, 'Pontiac' and 'Mustang' have the same number of letters:

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  5. Guy Parquette

    Guy Parquette Platinum Level Contributor

    I had a cat once...
    Taste like Chicken
     
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  6. 66electrafied

    66electrafied Just tossing in my nickel's worth

    I'd heard the BMW logo was a spinning prop too; - but yes, it's the Bavarian state colours which are a blue and white checkerboard pattern. The funny thing was that BMW's Eisenach car plant was taken over by the Russians, and then left to it's own devices in the East German state. The newly founded DDR and the remnants of the auto plant decided that they had enough to continue building cars, so they repackaged prewar BMWs off as new ones; and then BMW screamed. So the eastern company continued limited production, and re-badged them as "EMW", and turned the blue squares to red, but it was the same car. BMW screamed again, and then started a lawsuit; one has to remember at this time BMW was rebuilding and mostly selling motorcycles and rebuilding their old prewar cars out of spare parts, their car manufacturing plant didn't fully come on line again until 1952 or so. The East Germans lost the lawsuit, ceased and desisted, and that concern became the IFA plant and eventually built Wartburgs, which were awful cars.
    BMW started off as an aircraft engine manufacturer, that was their claim to fame in WWI, and again in WWII. The engine they built was called the "Bramo" and started life as a license built Pratt and Whitney Wasp. It powered the Focke-Wulf 190 among others. Motorcycles were built after the first war as a stop-gap measure against going totally under, and that morphed into cars with the acquisition of an Austin 7 license in 1928 or so. That became the BMW "Dixi", and they eventually expanded on that legacy to build some fantastic cars just prior to WWII. These cars were so highly regarded that the Bristol Company in Britain, who were looking to divest themselves of aircraft engines and get into the car manufacturing scene, took the prewar 325 plans and hired the BMW chief engineer, sent it all to Britain to become the Bristol 400 in 1947. BMW was picked clean and left high and dry to start over again.
    The postwar "Baroque BMW", the 501 series, and the lovely 507 were some of the nicest machines built in Germany during the 50s. They were so expensive to produce that BMW lost money on every one they built. They built a fantastic V-8 during the 50s; and they never exploited it or refined it after they dropped the 500 series in 1960. They were pretty much broke by then, and if it wasn't for the Isetta, they'd have had it. They eventually got it right with a line of 4 cylinder cheap boxes, and they expanded that to a wonderful 6, and that laid the ground work for the 3 series of the mid to late 60s. That's eventually what they built the foundations of their modern cars on.
    BMW had an interesting history, much of it that they'd rather forget, particularly the 1939-1945 period. The family that owns them, or at least most of BMW, had some interesting ties to the Nazis too; Herbert Quandt's half brother Harald was the son of Magda Goebbels, and spent a few years living with her and her new husband. He benefited immensely during the war, and managed to stay out of trouble after the war.
    Oh yeah, by the way, I'm a Mercedes guy, I can't stand BMW...:D
     
  7. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I "heard" that the Mitsubishi logo was a spinning prop:rolleyes: When I heard that I looked closely and it doesn't look like a spinning ANYTHING:rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Like the Kia name plate, no question what it is, its a K I A:p UGLIEST nameplate I've ever seen, billboard sized letters on an oval serving plate:rolleyes:
    The cars have decent style, but DAMN change your nameplate!
     
  8. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Your prayers have been answered, Mark :)
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  9. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Lol that was quick, looks like a bunch of red angles :p oh hell, I give up:D:D
     
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  10. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    The 1965 Ford Galaxie was manufactured in Brazil until 1983 under the Landau name.

    Here's a '74
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    And here's a 1983...they supposedly tried to make the front end like a suicide door Continental.
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  11. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Saw this article again a few months ago, but you weren't on here then.....Just a little flashback and to let some of the fellas on here know who they're dealing with ;)

    https://snowgoer.com/latest-news/fl...ow-weeks-1994-racer-of-the-year-top-10/16837/

    FLASHBACK: Remembering Snow Week’s 1994 Racer Of The Year & Top 10
    May 22, 2014 By John Prusak
    To some of us, the past 20 years seems to have gone by in a flash – a flash almost as fast as Guy Parquette’s reaction time in a drag race in 1994, or like watching Kirk Hibbert blaze by on a laptop cross-country race on the original ISOC racing circuit.

    For today’s Throwback Thursday, we turned the clock back 20 years to see who was honored as snowmobile racing’s top dogs in the Snow Week magazine Racer of the Year and Top 10 club. Of the honorees, only one is still racing today. It’s also notable to see how various facets of racing have changed since the 1993-94 racing season. Let’s look back:

    RACER OF THE YEAR: Guy Parquette
    In the 1993-94 season, this Ski-Doo-mounted drag racer from Wisconsin was super-strong in the ultra-popular grass drag racing scene through the fall before turning his show to the ice, where he won an amazing 45 of 48 Stock class finals, and finished second in the three he didn’t win. That included 5 Stock class titles on 5 different sleds at the World Series of Ice Drags, and he also earned victories all year in Improved Stock on his Glen Kafka-tuned fleet of sleds.

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  12. Guy Parquette

    Guy Parquette Platinum Level Contributor

    God, I feel old now. It was THAT long ago?
    Gee thanks Lucas:eek:
     
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  13. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Yeah, I hear you....doesn't seem like that long ago when I think about it, but when I do the math it's waaaaaay back there.....over 1/2 my life ago.

    More barroom car trivia: In the mid 80s, Carroll Shelby began working with Lee Iacocca and Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth. The first vehicle was the Shelby Charger, but then they came up with the Omni GLH. The GLH stood for "Goes Like Hell". Later they came out with an Omni GLHS and a Charger GLHS, which stood for "Goes Like Hell S'more". The Omni GLHS did 0-60 in the mid 6s, the quarter in the high 14s, and went nearly 140 mph.

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  14. iowacat

    iowacat Well-Known Member

    Supposedly the original name for the Omni GLH was "Coyote" as it was going to eat rabbits, Volkswagen Rabbits.
     
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  15. BBBPat

    BBBPat Well-Known Member

    That first generation of OMNI also picked up the chassis ground through the RF wheel bearings. DODGE! Depend on it!
     
  16. 66electrafied

    66electrafied Just tossing in my nickel's worth

    It should have been called a "Dog", because most of the production versions were poorly put together and rather failure prone.
     
  17. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    The green 4 door looks like the sedan version of the Sport Family Truckster
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  18. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

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    I think they're both the same paint code.
     
  19. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    I had a friend who's father had a '58 Chevy Impala with the 348 and a super-turbine. The 348 had triple carburetors whic to his son's disappointment he replaced with a four-barrel. He was probably the only super-turbine owner who never had any trouble with it.
     
  20. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    Someone mentioned that the first Chevy V8 was built in 1917. That is correct, and it was an OHV. It also had so many problems that it was discontinued in 1918.
    Nobody knows for sure why the original Dodge trademark incorporated the star of David. The Dodge brothers were not Jewish.
    The original Oldsmobile Toronado had styling features that were an intentional salute to the Cord.
     
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