Baby is giving me problems all of a sudden.

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Buick 350 SF, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA


    That's because the power was on all the time connected directly to the battery is why it got hot just connected! The old guy was right about the ballast resister, not so much about a direct battery connection though. If you route it that way with a toggle switch it can be done this way BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO REMEMBER TO ALWAYS FLIP THE SWITCH OFF WHEN YOU PARK THE CAR!

    If you trace the original wire thru the harness close to where it connects in the back of the fuse box, cut it leaving it a couple inches long coming off the back of the fuse box so you can attach a new wire the same gage as the one you cut, route it back just before the coil and attach it to the ballast resister and from the resister to the coil. Doing it that way you'll bypass the resister wire that's probably burnt and the ceramic ballast resister will replace the resister wire!

    When you trace the wire back to the back of the fuse box you don't necessarily need to unravel the tape that holds the wires together just make sure the wire is the same color as the original one that gets hooked up to the coil. If you're not sure then do unravel the tape and make sure its the right wire you cut.


    As for hooking up the fan relay to when the key is turned on, there are connectors on the fuse box to do that. DO NOT ATTACH THAT WIRE TO THE COIL! When the directions say to hook the wire up to the ignition that DOESN'T mean to the coil, it means hook it to a connection that is on when the ignition is on! I'm not that great with wiring I hope my advice is right so double check, I hope this helps. GL




    Derek
     
  2. philbquick

    philbquick Founders Club Member

    You shouldn't need a ballist resistor with the Mallory set-up, it needs full 12 volts. It sounds like you have 12 volts some how, I'm not clear on how you did that. What I would do is find a switched circuit on the fuse block. To do that ground the negative lead of your meter and use the positive to probe the circuits as you turn the ignition on and off. It seems like there is an open (available) male spade lug in the lower left of the fuse block. Crimp or solder a wire to a 1/4" female spade lug and run that wire to your ignition.

    The reason there are 2 wires going to the positive side of your coil is: one wire is the pink resistor wire that supplies about 8 volts to the coil during normal running conditions (ignition switch in "on" position). The other wire goes to the starter solenoid and supplies 12 volts when the switch is in the "start" position. You don't need either of those wires with the Mallory ignition, just switched 12 volts.

    As for the fans, you could run a wire from the battery to a relay for power then to the fan and use the switched line going to the ignition to activate the relay. Are you running a fans through a thermostat?
     
  3. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    If its a Mallory Uni-Lite distributor they recommend running the ballast resister in the directions. Ask me how I know. I have one and all the research I did with it before I bought one said nothing about a ballast resister needed I was thinking that I needed the 12 full volts, but then it shows up and the directions say to run one or it will eventually burn up!

    As for the other Mallory distributors I can't say what voltage they require. GL



    Derek
     
  4. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member

    Ok il do that the right way. But even though it was wrong.. I stilll had required volts, shouldn't it have started ? I'm almost thinking I'm having a fuel problem. It's cool i can get away without using that wire if I have the box which il have in a couple days.

    Once all thats set il try to start, if it doesn't il pour some fuel in carb and if it starts. I guess fuel tank/ fuel sender/ fuel lines are all coming out and being replaced. Il probally take that fuel tank and shoot it a couple times for comfort.
     
  5. sailbrd

    sailbrd Well-Known Member

  6. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member

    Thanks! I've ransacking my closets for those dam papers. No where to be found, I guess you can run that dist with a mallory coil but it's suppose to have a box that by passes that wire. I have one on way so il just set that up, I'm praying it starts but I think there's something up with my fuel. When i hit throttle I can't see anything squirting into carb, maybe some mist
     
  7. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    If you have any 40 plus year old fuel line on the car change it all. Ethanol eats that rubber. Replace fuel filter. New one is worth the 5 bucks to eliminate it as a problem. Seems as a lot of people are having fuel pump failure lately.
     
  8. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member

    Yea it's all old other then fuel pump. Wanted to change it but I was out of funds.

    https://www.opgi.com/skylark/1969/air-fuel-delivery/fuel-tanks/

    can an you let me know what I need from this page? Thinking fuel tank, those steel lines, fuel sender, il get fuel pump from TA

    If you can just hit search button and put "fuel lines". Has options for hardtop which is what Id need just not sure which one, return,main line, I have no idea.
     
  9. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    3/8 main line for hardtop. Might want so line holddowns. Return line if you have air cond. But inspected it first. I went stainless steel on my car from. ' the right stuff.'
     
  10. philbquick

    philbquick Founders Club Member

    That's the first time I've heard of a transistorized system that doesn't take 12 volts. I guess they did that to make it easier so the same pink wire could be used and they wouldn't need to run a new wire. If you put a ballast resistor on the pink wire you will have 2 ballast resistors and end-up with 4 volts.
     
  11. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA


    Its been a while since I messed with the Mallory in my '65 just fired it up earlier today starts right up every time, if its hooked to the resister wire with a balast resister, it didn't make a difference in the QM when I added the ballast resister, so 4 volts must be ok?

    I'm more of a machinist than an electrician, the mechanical stuff is a no brainer for me, but the electrical stuff is more like vudoo. LOL


    Derek
     
  12. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member

    Should I just stick with mechanical or throw on electric fuel pump?

    I second that i HATE electrical lol
     
  13. philbquick

    philbquick Founders Club Member

    I'm a machinist with a degree in electrical engineering and I don't see how that would work unless the current draw is real low, then it wouldn't have the power to make much of a spark. Have you ever checked the voltage at the positive side of the coil while the engine is running? The pink wire is made of carbon encrusted cotton, that's how it becomes a resistor, there's no copper in part of it. If you disconnect it from the ballist resistor it will read 12 volts, once it's loaded it will drop voltage. Should be 1.5 ohms measured from the ignition switch to the coil. A ballist resistor is at least 1 ohm and the coil is 1 ohm, that's 3.5 ohms dropping 12 volts. Each component is going to drop about 1/3 of that voltage so you should have under 4 volts at the coil. Shouldn't work unless someone bypassed the resistor part of the wire. I was working in a garage in 1969 and we were seeing GM cars that were only a few years old with bad resistor wires.
     
  14. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member

    Just got the ignition box, is this the setup I need to hook up ? For the mallory comp ss, says its magnetic so?
     

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  15. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member


    im gonna hook up my bull**** like the picture i last posted. I'll trace resister wire back to wherever, cut it, run new same gauge wire, run it to engine bay.

    its says to connect original wire(resister wire) to red wire included with msd box, my question is since originally that wire is a resister wire and new wire won't be, should I put ballast resister on new wire once it's in engine bay, then run more of the new wire on other side of ballast resister too red msd wire?
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The small red wire in an MSD box set up simply turns the box on and off. The box gets battery power directly from the battery via the heavy black and red wires. There is no need for a resistor of any kind when using an MSD box. The distributor simply triggers the box. The coil is supplied from the box via the small black and orange wires, and it gets 450 volts or more.
     
  17. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member


    Ok thanks, while I'm back there il hook fans to something. Can I just splice both wires to the wire am gonna cut ?
     
  18. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I just read through this entire thread and it is unclear to me if you realize that you MUST use a relay to connect the fans, they draw a lot of current. When they tell you to connect something to the ignition switch, they mean something that goes to 12 volts when the ignition is in the run position. Some fuse boxes have spare slots that are marked IGN, or, you can also tap into a fuse already there, but you CANNOT run the fans directly like this. You use the ignition power source to trigger a relay. The relays can handle the current. Do you understand that?
     
  19. Buick 350 SF

    Buick 350 SF Well-Known Member

    nope I didn't know that, that whole thing was unclear to me.

    im a couple cans short of a 6 pack when it comes too electrical. Understatement. Thanks for being patient

    :Dou: Fuse box is right freaking there.. I understand now lol was making this a lot harder then needed, I'm just gonna crimp them too wire thats going too "power". Thanks Mr Wizard
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2015
  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    Well, we are getting there:grin:

    Go to your automotive store and ask for a 12 volt 30 amp relay. Wire it like this,

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...fh_lsonsw&hsimp=yhs-fh_lsonsw&hspart=avg&tt=b
     

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