I bought one for my 94 chevy diesel it worked for about a year then stopped the plates got eaten by the electrolysis that broke up the water and baking soda to make the hydrogen picked up 6 miles to the gallon. made my own and pick up 8 miles to the gallon didn't do much for my gas motors I was told it was do to the o2 sensor. have not tried it on a carbureted motor. the generator works best with about 10 to 15 amps. adjusted by the baking soda. EZ to make pvc pipe and stainless steel and some hose. good luck
OK, now that we are seeing folks who really used this tech & it did produce as expected, what will it take to build a system, without spending an extra $100 on the books from the internet guy? I'd love to see the plans on building & wiring this thing. I have an 2001 Olds & 1998 Astro that are driven 500 miles round trip per week. To pick up 6-8 mpg would be great. Now for the hard part, how would this work for a carb'd 455???? I'm running a Holley right now on an Iron Intake. Could we simply take a 1/2" carb spacer plate and drill in a port to introduce the HHO? OR would I need to run in the gas prior to an intake charge? Of course the flip side would be to set-up the motor to run a fuel injection set-up. I'd assume that the FAST system is going to be the most tuneable system for what I'm proposing. So, do I run with TBI, if so will a 350 (SBC) be workable, or do I need to come up with a 454 set up. Remember, we are leaning down the system to include the HHO. Thoughts????
Go to sites like Water from gas or water for gas I think it is called ...all the plans and cells are their for availability - fee ...another is called Punch hho....the father of this stuff was an inspiration to all.... non college graduate,self funded,non chemist ....his name was Stan Meyer who got patents and forged ahead but nobody would listen..hes dead now.....guys this is real world working uncomplicated technology,,,you create an explosive gas and supplement it into your intake but you have to fool your ecu computer first. Hada x above said he got 6-8 miles per gallon on a diesel so you have heard it from one of our own brothers ....I have been getting my 65 back up and running once thats done I am switching over projetcs to get my Tundra on suplemental hho using my own designed cell ........heres an early cell test of mine producing hho gas ..J . http://www.youtube.com/v/XzcHXzGiOQc&hl=en
I am constructing my rev 2 fuel cell tonight and will be putting it on my 2006 Toyota Tundra 4.7 truck this weekend. The cell should produce 2 times my first units output. Its still a "conservative" sized cell when judged against others. I will run it all next week. If its a bunch of b.s. I will tell you all . I am doing no o2 mods at this time ...just bolting it on and seeing what happens. If it makes the truck throw error codes its coming off . I will post my mileage results by Friday......JFK
This Brown's gas, Klien gas, HHO or whatever you want to call it is just a scam. You don't need a degree in mathematics or physics to see that it just doesn't work. In fact, I've gotten so annoyed at the number of "run your car on water" scams that are appearing I figured it was about time to mount a public awareness campaign so I wrote an article titled The great "run your car on water" scam. (Because I've just joined this forum, I can't post an embedded link yet but just Google "Run your car on water? - it's a scam!" (including the quotes) and you should find it. It's sad to see people getting sucked in and paying good money to get a bunch of worthless information or some completely useless jars, wires and tubes that do absolutely nothing for their fuel economy -- although I guess you might get an extra mile or two to every tank-full on account of your wallet being a little lighter. Please let people know that this stuff is just a rip-off.
Done A Lot Of Internet Looking At This Myself. If Looking For Mileage ,good Power And Tuneability, I Would Say That The Old Digital 2bbl Holley Projection TBI Would Be Hard To Beat, Especially For The Tuneability Aspect.(easy to dial back and run more hho into)
Hey guys, This hho generator stuff does work. I put together a homemade system for my runabout ford tempo 2.3 that was getting 24 mpg combined hwy/city. After i made and installed the simple hho system i get 36 mpg combined hwy/city. Here is the best source of information i've found for doing the hho generator system. mindstrain dot com Once you go to this link you will see a topic " 100 year old secret" click on it and then read this guys results also he has plenty of videos on his site showing you how to make this system and he is getting 94% better mpg fuel economy. His name is Eddie Batista and he is a retired law enforcement officer and he puts all his hho info/testing info out free. Most of the parts can be bought off ebay in do it yourself type kits for very low prices. I put mine together with parts i bought at a Lowes hardware store.
Fuel cells have been used for a # of years now in European countries with great results. Anything that reduces our dependency on oil is good. This technology has been around for years but smothered by big oil. If anyone thinks 1.50/gal gas is gonna be around for long, they are sadly mistaken. We need to reduce our dependency on oil, and promote alternative fuels. I own a gas station. The oil companies take all the profits. They will do whatever it takes to supress any information/technology that will reduce our dependance on oil. A # of years back, a man in a neighboring town devised an oil burner/furnace/heat generator that could heat an average 1500 sq. ft. home in new england on about 5 gallons of fuel/season. After he applied for and got a patent, he was offered large sums of money for his technology which he refused as he knew his plans would be burned, men started mysteriously sitting outside his house in their cars day and night and phoned him to tell him where his wife and kids were and how easy it would be for them to have an accident. He was forced to sell his technology to them(for a pittance). From what I understand, Shell was the big one behind it.
Holy Crap. Thank you a thousand times for the above link. I have been a "on the fence" believer in this technology since I first heard about it. That website is what I needed to push and pursue this option. Crazy or not, I'm going to try it. :Brow:
Go for it Frank, nobody's been able to show empirical evidence of a gain by actually following the Scientific Method, so someone needs to be first! Unfortunately there's an obscure NASA article floating around somewhere that the salespeople are claiming will support the idea...and it does as far as displaying an advantage of injecting hydrogen. But the report also shows that it is very likely impossible that an increase in efficiency could ever make up for the abysmal amount of energy required to produce hydrogen via electrolysis. In other words. to measure a positive gain, the hydrogen needs to be procured via a more efficient method. You can't just look at the performance of the vehicle, you have to factor in the losses required to make it happen to begin with. Devon
Since i can't post any links i'll just tell you some more where to find the info for those of you that might be interested in gaining a little knowledge and learning from those who have allready put the hho systems to use and tested in the real world,on the road. There are many videos showing these systems in operation with mpg test gauges being done on the road. go to this link and do a search on "hho mpg test" there will be many examples to view for yourself. Some get a few mpg improvement and some get a lot,it's like anything else on engines it depends on how well you can tune the engine to work with the hho gas that will determine your results,i was only able to increase my mileage by 12 mpg with the free info i got from the link below on how to make the hho generator,this was before i found the link to mindstrain dot com which helped even more. go here. you tube dot com
One more time, sorry for sounding like a broken record...if you can get someone to donate the hydrogen, just perhaps you'll come out ahead - but all the testing I've sen so far was so shoddy it just makes me shake my head. Half the time the idea of a control as part of the experiment is thrown out the window, and more often than not multiple variables are involved without care. If you have to set up in the garage and plug in, or pay out of pocket for some other form of electricity to separate both H's from the O, you'll lose. Not sure if I can put in any simpler terms. Devon
Well it appears some people don't understand how this system works and can't grasp the concept. I have been a member here for a few years and don't come here often as you can tell from my post count. I just stumbled accross this thread asking about the hho and since i have personal experience with it i offered some input. I really am not here to convince anyone that this system works what i do know is that it does. And when i go to the gas station to put gas in the car it costs me a lot less now then when it did before i made and installed it. 12 miles per gallon improvement in my case is 144 extra miles per tank for me for free and the gas pump tells me the real truth when i pay for the gas. There is a lot of information on the internet about this subject all you have to do is a search and you will find it. I put my system together for just a few dollars since i had a lot of the materials needed in the garage allready but you can purchase the materials or a complete kit off the internet and if you shop around you will find some good deals. I'm not here to sell you anything but it is your money so spend as much of it on gas as you want. I do things my way and you can do things your way. This is my last reply on this topic, good luck to those who can think out of the box and can put this system to use.
Only problem is on a carb'ed car you will never know as you would have to change driving habbits as your jetting is fixed. Reguardless if you felt more power at a given speed and didn't need to give as much throttle, there would be no real proof that it works unless you change nothing in how you drive. It would have to be done on a FI car where you can change no driving habbits but the computer could see the need for less fuel and cut it down as the same throttle position and not just you being lighter on the foot.
That's been the biggest problem; trying to get good data from anyone on this experiment. Can somebody please publish data that can bear the weight of scientific scrutiny??? I'm not the type who will disbelieve something after it's been sufficiently proven, but it's my job to continue to try proving something false just as much as true, and the first 10 pages that google.com is sporting offers tons of folks who see something "working" but haven't the desire or ability to put the results in empirical terms...and they by far do not seem to be able to answer fairly simple questions based on physics. In addition, it would serve well the proponents of the hydrogen gas injection proposal to keep buried their personal conspiracy beliefs that typically surround the discussions. That kind of commentary does nothing to bolster their case for facts both known and unknown. I read page after page of questions from those of us scratching our heads being answered with the "you need to think out of the box" crap. Before you can do that, you need to be able to think inside of one, too - and applying the Scientific Method would be one heck of a good start. It's great for people to say "it works!". So far I have not seen/read anyone able to sufficiently answer the question why, or more specifically, what is actually happening. Devon
