Alternator Restoration?

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by SpecialWagon65, May 2, 2018.

  1. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Patton,

    What's your pricing for these?

    That's sharp!
     
  2. pglade

    pglade Well-Known Member

    Brett - It all depends on the condition of the alt when I get it in my hands. I don't quote firm prices on these since the condition varies so much. There are "easy" alts that come apart easily, no fasteners are stuck, no stripped threads, no snapped off screws, etc.....and then there are the "problem childs" with stuck case halves, corroded/broken case screws, stripped threads, cracks in the case, etc (very common on some Olds alternators). One I restored awhile back had about 15 different cracks in the case halves and a current project had the front case half broken in two. Then there's everything in between.

    I'll look at some I did and see if I can come up with a "base case" range and get back to you.
     
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  3. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    Do board rules require me to say "inline" on this one?:D
     
  4. Mike Trom

    Mike Trom Platinum Level Contributor

    Nice...mine works fine and looks OK but it does not look no where near as good as the one you posted,
     
  5. SpecialWagon65

    SpecialWagon65 Ted Nagel

    I’ve got several to sort through. Prioritiy is for 350,....I’m going to need a 65 too
     
  6. SpecialWagon65

    SpecialWagon65 Ted Nagel

    Oh and my sister still lives down there- May be able to pickup in person.
     
  7. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Do you do the A stamp near the plug and the Two letter ID code stamp?
     
  8. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    I tried but that’s what happened.
     
  9. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Sounds good and thanks!
     
  10. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

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    Here is the way originals were stamped if anyone is interested. This is the one from my 70 GSX.
     
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  11. pglade

    pglade Well-Known Member

    I've had stamps made when I have found an original stamp to copy or I am provided whatever two letter codes are needed. I haven't done the single letter stamp yet but it is "do-able". I've made a couple stamps for Olds alts since I do a lot of those and know the codes used (Assembly Manual info as you know). I have a "BD" stamp for a couple Buick alts I did in the recent past for some folks on this site.

    I like the "natural"/bare look on the cases. Clearcoating can change the "look" but may offer some protection. The fan and pulley (but not the alum case) on the Olds alt shown above are clearcoated.....I want to see what effect, if any, it has on preserving the zinc plated parts over time and it's going on a local car so I'll be able to monitor it. Wiping the case down periodically (if left bare) with something like Boeshield should help preserve the finish. Over time, the aluminum will change colors to a "greyish" color when left bare. Obviously, storage conditions and environment have an effect on the aging of the bare cases. That's where something like a Boeshield or possibly a Gibbs Oil type product could be employed.
     
  12. pglade

    pglade Well-Known Member

    Steve - You'll have to fight the owner of that one to get it. :D Not worth it since it's for a '70 Olds and it's internally regulated, unlike our Buicks. It's a somewhat rare open face alternator - I say "somewhat" because it has a new casting open face front half but does have a rare original back half that has a unique look with some raised cooling fins on the back face of the case where the internal regulator was mounted inside. Ultimately, Olds stopped using these and went back to the traditional "closed face" style and the external voltage regulators. Some Buicks and Pontiacs in the '70/71 era also used another version of the open face but they used 5 spoke front halves (instead of the 6 spoke used on 69/70 Olds) and they did not use the cooling-fin-back halves. I don't remember if the Buick and Pontiac alts were internally or externally regulated.

    EDIT AND ADD: Oh yeah Dave - on Olds's, at least with factory AC, the ink stamps aren't always a big deal to the owner/customer...unfortunately, when mounted on the bracket, the part of the case where the factory put those stamps is facing DOWN! Uggh.
     
  13. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    What i actually meant was "inline" for your work, though I did notice that the alternator was
    A) beautifully done
    and
    B) a little unusual.

    Tell Brett to wait his darn turn!:D
     
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  14. pglade

    pglade Well-Known Member

    Here's a pic of the "raised fin" (sometimes called "diamond back" due to the overall orientation/look of the fin set) style back half. This is a NOS alt for a '70 Chevy but it's the same back as the Olds used in '70. '69s are pretty much the same but the bolt boss (at around 4:00) is more flush on a '69 back half. Therein lies "the catch" on the back halves......you have to compete with Chevy folks for them.

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  15. MissmyStage1

    MissmyStage1 Well-Known Member

    Fwiw, Pontiac was consistent in using the 6 spoke front half and diamond back rears on the 69 TAs and 70 birds. The 5 spoke open face was used in 71 with the more common rear half. These are internally regulated.
     
  16. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Patton. For some reason that looks different in the back than my friends 442's? No I am going to have to check. His are originals.
     
  17. pglade

    pglade Well-Known Member

    Dave - The back I show is a correct back for a '70 442. The '69's used essentially the same thing but with the more "flush" bolt boss. I have about 6 other original '69 and '70 Olds 442/etc alts here if you guys need more proof.
     
  18. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Patton, my mind is polluted with Buick alternators. Maybe that is why? I have been working on my friends several 72 442s. I need to look at those.
     
  19. MissmyStage1

    MissmyStage1 Well-Known Member

    What is the trick to getting the aluminum so clean? I wash them and sometimes do a light media blast but often have dark spots in the aluminum that remain, probably from corrosion.
     
  20. pglade

    pglade Well-Known Member

    Dave - DON'T look at your friend's 72 442....nor a '71 for that matter. Those years DID NOT USE the same-style-as-69/70 alternators. '71 did not use a 6 spoke open face (I'm not sure what they used...maybe 5 spoke open face, maybe not) and did not use the finned "diamondback" back half. In '72, they went back to the firewall-mounted external regulator and back to the "traditional" looking alt cases. '69 and '70 were internally regulated and used the open face/diamondback cases.
     

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