1971 350 Timing Help

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by stpetegs, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. stpetegs

    stpetegs Member

    I will borrow a buddies light and see what is up this weekend. The guys over at T/A was named Mike and he swears they ran dyno tests that showed the 600 was the one you need on a 350. He is pretty much the only person who has said that, but he is also supposed to be the expert?? right?

    Will also check the Vacuum. I have a hunch maybe the shop put the distributor in a little off. When they first got it running, it had a VERY serious lope and had absolutely no power at all. So I think all their working, they may have dropped it in a little off?

    Thansk for all the advise and help guys. I really appreciate it. I just want her to run like she should run so I can really enjoy her.
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    If you use the formula to figure out how much air an engine needs at a certain RPM, then sure, 600 CFM is probably about right, but as any experienced Buick racer knows, if you put a bigger carburetor on a Buick, they usually go faster. I think maybe you are only telling us about part of the conversation you had with MIke:laugh: , because I am sure he knows that. Buick put a 750 CFM Q -Jet on the 350, and the Edelbrock carburetor will never run as well as a good Q-Jet IMHO.
     
  3. stpetegs

    stpetegs Member

    Both the shop and I talking to T/A for more than 2 hours total trying to figure out what was going on. Mike at T/A insisted they race there cars with the Edelbrock 600 on them and that is the best carb for a Buick 350. He acknowledged that "Buick Guys" would disagree, but they had tested, dynoed and raced them that way it that is what they found to be the best. I was not going to argue with the guy, but my shop sure did. :)

    That being said, I don't see the smaller carb affecting the low end as much as the top end. I still think maybe the distributor was put in wrong and that is why the timing mark is not where is should be. I will hopefully have time this weekend to check that and if it is wrong, the shop will have some free work to do!
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I would have asked him what carburetor was on Mike Jr.'s hot 350:grin:

    Have a look at this thread. Notice what happens with the bigger carburetors.
    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=197839
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You know, I'm looking at your 1st post, and I see that you are using the TA284 cam. I'm thinking that must be the TA284-88H. My first question would be, was it degreed in when it was installed?

    I noticed you said the specs were 1500-4000 RPM. Specs for what? Power Range? My TA catalog says 2000-5000 RPM, and I think that refers to the 455. I think in a 350, it would be more radical. I'd still like to see the vacuum reading at idle. Low vacuum from a leak will make the engine want a lot more ignition advance to idle.
     
  6. mhgs

    mhgs it just takes money !!

    larry is right....that camshaft with stock pistons ( MAYBE 8.5-1 ) would be like running 7.5-1 with a stocker. You are gonna need to advance that cam ( hopefully it was ) and still give it a ton of spark advance. I have run as much as 18 initial degrees advance and it still seemed at times to want more.....that and heck yah you need alot of carb for that motor...I run a 850dp and am contemplating a 900 or more.
    Being that said...I would get a piston stop to verify tdc and than start with the distributor from there....that way you are for sure.
     
  7. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    I am pretty sure that the guys are right about the timing and carb issues. It sounds like your timing is off and the e brock carb would need to be custom jetted to work right anyways. You can not expect to bolt on a carb and have it work better than a factory calibrated Q jet. The Q jet is adaptable and can work with mods, cams, compression gains etc and still give good air fuel ratios where as an aftermarket e brock carb is a less refined style carb that needs to be custom jetted to the combo.
     
  8. eagleguy

    eagleguy 1971 Skylark Custom

    Your not alone, I have basically the same set up and did not get what I expected with the rebuild using the 284 cam either! Much better than stock though.
     

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