1970 Gsx

It was GSX #103 from my records. I would have to do more digging to figure out where it falls in the registry. I sort the information in a way as to not put the cars in order by VIN number.

Mark

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it was #1 but my shorthand question may have. The sort I had was white ones versus yellow ones with white first, 455s vs Stage1 with 455s first, then 4spds vs automatics, with 4spds first. So my white 455 non stage1 4spd ended up on top.

Just coincidence. Nevertheless, when I showed it to the appraiser he says to me, "Hey it's number 1 in the Registry, how cool is that?"

 

Yeah,

The way I sort is

1. Alphabetic by Color
2. Alpha-numeric by Engine (455 vs Stage-1)
4. Alpha-numneric by Transmission (4-speed vs Automatic)
5. Alphabetic by owners last name.

I feel that most owners would like to know how many of their car with same color, engine and trans are in the registry than I put owners last night alphabetical so it is easier for people to find themselves in the list.

It is cool that yours is at the top. Did the apprasier use the registry information? Were you please with the appraisers results? I know when I had my car appraised 2 years ago I was very dissapointed with the results (car was undervalued). I called them to talk about it and I asked how they derive the cost basis they could not give me a straight answer. Even after I gave them several examples of cars selling on E-Bay, in Hemmings, and at auction, they still did not adjust the value.

Mark

 

My appraiser is a muscle car dealer in Wauconda, IL. He advertises cars on collectorcars.com so maybe you could find him. He's a nice guy, and has had Buicks himself as personal cars to have, aside from what he's dealing. He astounded me by appraising Al's car at $101K. A couple of the other GSs came in way above what I expected. But the Rivieras I've had have always been lower than I thought they should be.

What he said about the list, joking, was that he wanted to copy it so he could solicit to buy GSX cars from the owners. We had a good laugh about that, but the fact of the matter is that your list is something the exotic car guys would love to have to troll for some nice cars. I didn't bring in anything more than the owner's list to show him the VIN was on it. I knew he already knows all about the GSX stats, etc.

 

Ok Mark..its prolly time. Years ago, You and I discussed a 70 GSX which I bought back in 94. 1010, Stage 1, non a/c, somewhere along the list of owners, I believe this car was converted to a 4 speed. This car, when I bought it, had NOS panels professionally installed with correct spotwelding: NOS quarters with GM labels still on the inside..NOS doors, floor & trunk panels, and an NOS 71 (wrong) core support well. This car has been in dry storage since I bought it. My thinking is, its time to put the resto plans into action. BUT before I do, I should prolly give you the details you need to add to your registry huh. Short of going the WR route, HOW much info can YOU supply me about this car, with just the VIN? No build sheets. No documentation. not much of anything except chats with previous owners, including Robert Sarlan, (DOCGSX) listed as an owner in the 80's! :TU: ThanX for any help. :beers2: Email me off list at PenWheelz@ij.net Wheelz, Tampa Bay

 

4 speed cars lived a hard life. Most died young and were buried in junk yards only to be later resurrected to go to a smelter.

 

I guessed less that 100 exist out of 600+. But, if 57 are already accounted for it sounds like there must be more out there than 100.

( Jim, in my previous post I was referring to GS cars, not GSX. Sorry for the confusion! )

 

Yes I am with you now that I re-read your post. Gsx 4 speed stage 1 cars, I would say, will shake out around 50 or so. I would expect more than 100 70 speed stage 1 non GSX cars to be out there. I know of one stratomist (or is it gulfstream blue ) 4 speed stage 1 car not in Marco's list. But that is the only one I can recall.

 

If this is a stupid question, pardon me, but since we all get verification of our cars from Wayne Roberts, wouldn't he be able to determine how many Stage 1 4 speed GSX's were originally produced? Paul

 

From what I gathered in the info of the 73-74 cars(Century GS) as well as I believe Duane also stated it was also done for earlier years,they did indeed build certain cars in batches, I have a few 73 Stage 1 cars that were built in the same time frame(Months,etc) that had similar options..4 speed cars as well as Stage 1 cars seemed to be built about the same time in batches,but the body numbers varied. Sometimes a lower numbered bodied car was built after a higher numbered body car since they both received the same options.Just my findings in my research ..

 

Yes it is possible based on those records but to my belief it has never been done except by mathmatical extrapolation. I do not know of any plans for this to be done. Or is it the number of yellow versus white that is extrapolation based?

 

Jason, was this with or without GSX's in the mix?
I know my X is registered with Marco as well.

Jeff

 

I will not be able to help. Most likely it is not in the registry. Contact Wayne Roberts who has the GSX Historic Society and for $75 ($150 rush) he can give you all the production information on your car. Wayne will require the VIN and the Body # for a GSX. If you need further information let me know.

Mark

 

Great question Paul. Wayne is the only person who has access to that information. He has not provided that type of information to me. The nnumber of GSX Stage-1 4-speeds is know though Please reference earlier information on this post.

If any one gets this information I would really like to know what it is. I would specifically like to know what the break down is by color.

Mark

 

To get more complex, are there Stage 1, 4 spd X's in Mark's list that haven't yet registered with Marco?
With Mark's 42 and Marco's 57 I'm sure most are duplicates, but if some of Mark's haven't registered with Marco that could increase the 57 to maybe the upper 60's possibly more?

 

782 4 speed Stage 1 total including GSX
118 of these are GSX cars
664 are Stage 1 GS cars. This matches the records I have from Buick.

678 GSX cars total
664 GS Stage 1 4 speed cars total.

I bet there are a LOT less 70 GS Stage 1 4 speed cars in existance which makes total sense as they would have had a hard life and weren't seen nearly as much as a collectible as a GSX even back then, so many were scrapped. Interesting thread!

 

The one that I know that is not in the registry needs a complete redo. It has not run in years. You can stand in the trunk with your feet still on the ground.

How many do you guys know of one not in the registry?