1970 Buick GS 455 Stage 1, 4-Speed, 3:42 Posi, w/ AC

Looks real nice. Anybody know this car or history?

Only 5K miles!? And why change front disc brakes to drums?

Drats! I can't post links yet. item# 290299527655 or search using title of this thread.

 

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I have no idea why you'd change from disc to aluminum drums... strange...
I think that car has been discussed here before... I remember reading about a "NICKEY" car.

cant remember what it was about though...

 

It has been on ebay before. Perhaps this is B Ball Sam's old GS.

 

Take a look at lot S179 from Mecum St. Charles 2008 auction. Same car? Sold for $47,500.

 

3 years since your last post Pete, welcome back!!!!!!!!!:beer

 

As Jim said, this is B Ball Sam's former GS and it is the same GS that sold at the Mecum auction for $47.5K. It was originally aqua mist with a white painted roof and a bench seat interior - was changed over to buckets when Sam converted it to an automatic from the original 4 speed. As I understand it, the original #'s matching engine was removed and stored while Sam was racing the car, however the original #'s matching M-21 was not kept. Subsequently, the original engine was re-installed with a date code correct M-21 but not the original #'s matching one. The front brakes were probably converted to aluminum drums from disc to reduce the "drag" when racing.

I considered purchasing this Stage 1 and spent a good deal of time last summer discussing it with the collector who had it for sale and researching the car's history. After deciding not to purchase, the collector subsequently sold it to another individual who took it to the Mecum auction where Nickey bought it. It is a nice Stage 1 even with the top now painted body color, the buckets rather than original bench and the non #'s matching M-21, however given the current market, it is going to be a tough sell to exceed the amount paid at auction IMHO.

 

I looked at the car last year. It is a nice car but the seller wanted 60k for it. It has been on the Yenko board a couple times. Good luck with getting his asking price in todays market.

 

i'm thinking whoever switched from disc brakes to druims was trying to reduce weight for quarter mile racing?:3gears:

 

[/IMG]IMHO... all be it a bit bias...As the owner of a four speed Stage1. The four speed Stage1 is the most underpriced GM A bodied muscle car. Even in todays market. I sure the owner wants more than the 47k that he paid for it at auction. I looked at the car 2 1/2 years ago, when it was race trim as BBsam had it. Only by that time it had been painted solid Aqua-Mist. The owner at that time wanted 50k for it. I know a board member here bought it, and I'm sure he put alot of time and money in. It was listed here on the board for 60K. I believe it was for sale at an auction in Scottsdale this year and was bid to around 47K. Sam was right to call this car "Very Few" because it has to be the lowest number produce of all Gm A bodies. The clown suit GSX Stage1 cars are still being shopped around for well over 100k. A 50k premium for a paint job? seems like this car should be considered a bargain, even at this price. Recent sales of AMC Scamblers sold for over 61K at auction. Even in today's economy. I like most here on the Board am a Buick fanatic, constantly on E bay looking parts, cars and anything else buick related. One of my favorite searches is 1970,1971,1972 Buicks. If you find over twenty cars on this search, it's a good day! Type in anyother Muscle car, not just Gm, say 1971 cuda for example your likely to get close to fifty results. Chevelle, several hundred for a single year. I could go on and on. Now try to by parts for those 1970 Stage1. You could spend 5k and still hold the parts in your hand. I still think who ever buys this car won't regret it, in the long run. I don't think you'll find any current owner of a documented 1970 Stage1 four speed car that has been restored, for under 65k even in todays market. Unless it is a distressed sale. What's the worst case... it doesn't sell and it you have to hang on to it? Not a bad problem to have. IMHO. Jim

 

You can make the same argument about a Pontiac Judge but the fact is that they do bring a lot more money. As for the 70 Buick stage 1 cars I like them all but the GSx package is more than just a paint job difference.

 

clown suit GSX cars? ouch!:laugh: i also love the 1970 stage 1 :beer

 

Jim....Besides the sport mirrors, spoiler, and paint, what other items are unique to the GSX. The clown suit comment was only intended to ignite a discussion as to price differences. No offense intended.:beers2:

 

Thanks, Chris. Buick Fever had to go into remission for a few years while new marriage got some legs.. Seems to be festering again and time to "break the wife in". Yeah right...

 

For 70 --the dash emblem, grille emblem, hood tach, decals, spoilers front and rear, steering wheel and steering box for instance. I believe some other suspension items were part of the package as opposed to options.


No offense taken about the clown suit. We have owned 2 GSX cars but many more non GSX Buick cars. I agree the non GSX cars are a better buy in terms of initial dollars. I' m unsure if they are the best value considering resell and future appreciation potential.

In terms of perceived pecking order and status, the GSX stage 1 s are top dog just liike the W30 and Hurst Olds are with repect to 442 Olds and the Judge is with respect to Pontiac GTOs. And the status/rarity factor is what drives up the market price. It is sure not performance. Our Z06 (C-6 at 11.5 seconds, 128 mph quarter mile) will dust all the 60/70 muscle cars in stock trim in a big way for a lot less $$$.

 

Yeah but there is something special about the yellow cars with stripes.:bglasses:

 

jim brings up a good point about the best value for initial dollars. check out the CARS FOR SALE section, and get on the TRANSAMFLORIDA website. looks like they have a beauty of a GS455 for 29,000.00 for sale, and a restored 1970QQ X for sale at 129,000.00. its hard not to argue that the GS455 is the better initial value. of course this is based on pictures alone, not an inspection. but i still love the GSX MOST OF ALL.

 

Nice cars, and I guess if you are comparing the two against each other the GS455 "may" be the better initial value, but in my opinion both are overpriced in today's market and neither are a "good value" at the prices listed.

For the same money as the hardtop, you could find a real nice convertible 70, or 69, 71 or 72 Stage 1 hardtop. For $29,900, I would expect closer to "show quality" than it is. I have never been a big fan of the black spray can undercarriage paint job.

 

Chris I will take the Maderine Orange 77 442 for the difference in price.

 

I don't blame you, that is a great car and a very good value in my opnion. Nicer than the ones listed above, that is for sure!

 

We could argue all day about pecking order, value for the dollar, etc...Apples to oranges. No different than comparing clones to the real deal. Some will say the clone is the better value. Some will spend the money for the real thing.

They all have their place in the world.

Brian