Possible change in classifeds

Don't see how Chris did anything wrong here.I'm guessing the seller extended the courtesy of waiting until Chris & he could work a time frame to view/sell the car.Tacoma to Kent is a pretty good drive,traffic-wise.Not everyone can go wherever whenever,some of us have work & family schedules to contend with.

 

The time factor is at the center of this big blow up and Chris echoing that him self Jamie. He has done the same thing, he asked Jerry to hold it until they could come and view the car. He took 4 days to complete the deal with his guy. You don't seem to get it or I came across wrong, I like the way everything was done in that deal, it would have been nice if it was a board member that got it, and it does take longer for a 3rd party deal.

What I am saying is all the things he has been going off about has worked very well for him in the past, and at the time of that sale he didn't step up and sorry guys its going to take 4 days for me and my guy to look at so I don't want to hold up the line did he.

Jerry and Chris both showed class by keeping us all updated and the sale was smooth. How can you can say it takes too long to complete a sale here on the board and the rules need to be change when you are guilty of doing the same thing that's all.

 

Shipping size and weight should not be a problem. Small items you can give a flat rate. When the item is big or heavy then distance travelled drives the price. If you are shipping a flywheel across the country it is gonna be a lot more than 1 state away.

 

Your right Fred, and the idea is that the potential purchaser, knowing the size and weight of the package, can get an idea of shipping costs himself, instead of having to hold everyone up to figure that out.

Obviously the downside is that some will want to charge extra for shipping, and sometimes that's warranted.. if you live out in the sticks and it's a long drive to he post office or FED-EX/ UPS shipper.

In my own case, when selling items I typically figure out the cost to ship to either coast, then take 80% of that cost, and add that to what I want for the part. I sell it "shipped to the 48 states". It works for me, because I am more or less in the middle of the country.


Typically comes out pretty close.

JW

 

for guys that dont ship a lot..heavy stuff works out to about $1.00 a pound, i dont know how or why, but its a good guess and it almost always works out, ive shipped so much stuff its pretty consistant, anything over 60 inches in length is expensive..tiny stuff use the Post office...big stuff, the best deal is Fedex...even insurance can be calculated ..i forget the number but its like$1.89 for the first $101-199 and then it gets cheaper per $100

I have pics of the new flat rate boxes and prices, i will post them, maybe they can be a stickey

no one has ever, and i mean ever not finished a deal or balked on shipping in a post office suplied box..post office will give you the boxes, deliver them to your door, and then pick up the package no charge..thats easy i think..you can go to USPS open an acct for free, and print the label right at your desk..put it in your mail box and off it goes

shipping is high now a days, and only going to get higher

I always allow customers to pick what service they want..i always have the demensions and weights ready, and i tell them to shop around if they want...and some do

Most of the time...i sell items shipped, in other words, if i say 50 shipped..the deals done..its 50 shipped..that takes all the guys work out for a potential customer


big stuff i do a quote, and stick to it..sometimes, i have done a quote and im 5 bux too low for some reason...they still get it shipped for the quote...no issues

i guess what i'm saying is..i make it so easy to get the deal done..i have no issues...

if its your stuff...you control how good or how bad it goes

and..now i'm bitchin..i dont care how nice a guy is in the beginning, integrity starts when it goes/or gets bad..thats the test...stuff happens..you describe it...it aint the way you said it is..you should be man enough to do the right thing and refund the money and take the return, and thats why i feel a trade rating right next to the guys screen name is an easy way to help buyers..and just tell every one to use it...




Mister-T (Tom), youve been here a long time..anything I have you want...no issues, i'll ship it straight to ya, just ask...youve always been good to me, and i will return the favor or is it FAVOUR :grin:..i know you fereigners spell funny...

 

The trick would be to make it so that in order to post an item for sale then you need to add the following info to the post so that everyone can follow the guidelines for the thread. Most of the issues that come out of items or cars for sale is people not knowing the rules and although that is their fault it will keep happening.... Make the info mandatory and the thread will only be posted once all the required fields or option boxes are filled in.

Once the format was developed in the for sale section all threads would have to have this info...

For example:

Item location:

EDMONTON ALBERTA CANADA T8L 4S4

Item description:

1970 Buick 350 complete, was running when built, no known problems, complete from carb to oil pan

Payment excepted:

Paypal or money order

Shipping:

Up to buyer but it is palletized and ready to ship, will work with buyer on pickup from whatever shipping company they pick.

Weight |(pounds), Dimensions LxWxH):

450 pounds, 35x35x35 inches

Pictures:

 

Chris,

I am not sure why this transaction is bothering you, since you weren't in anyway involved (at least publicly), but I think you are misunderstanding my comments. What I said was, that the way I read the rules, the suggested 48 hour time period was for the buyer to make contact with the seller. Not for the Buyer to make contact with the seller. My point was, and is, is that the Seller should have all the time in the world to complete a transaction. It should be up to him how slow or fast he wants to move. It is his car, and someone else shouldn't be able to force him into doing a deal on their timeframe.

That is why I said I had problems with the rules (in the manner you are suggesting they work, in that the 48 hours applied to both buyer and seller) if I am the SELLER. Because again, I feel that someone else should not dictate how long it takes me as a seller to do something. I think the rule should apply to the Buyer, because he should not be allowed to hold up the seller if the seller doesn't want to be held up.

I believe that the Buyer needs to contact the seller right away, which I did with Jerry. Then the seller and buyer should come up with a mutually agreeable time to meet. BUT, that is controlled by the seller. If the Seller says, "If you want the car, you have to come and look at it today", that is fine, then it is up to the buyer to decide what he wants to do. If Jerry would have said I need you to make a decision right now whether you are buying it or not, I would have told him I was buying it.

In the case with Jerry and I, I contacted him right after getting in line, and we agreed the weekend worked best, and we mutually agreed on a time and place. I never asked him to "hold the car" for me and I don't think either one of us was holding up or delaying the transaction. We were doing what is normal in buy and sell transaction. To me, it is up to the seller to define what he is comfortable with.

The "system" is for buyers to contact the seller w/in 48 hours (suggested), not to close the deal within 48 hours! The time to "close the deal" is up to the seller!

"We suggest 48 hours as an acceptable time period to allow interested parties to contact you privately."

So I was following the rules as you interpret them, and as I interpret them. I don't see how I would have done that differently????

Let me ask you a couple of more questions, since you seem to know all of the answers.

Would it make a difference to you if I was inline for a board member? Would you complain about my actions and find fault there too or would that be ok?

What if I was inline for someone who wasn't a board member?

What if I bought the car and then sold it to someone else for exactly the same amount? a day later? a year later? ten years later? Still at fault?

What if I didn't buy the car, and then the Seller decides to sell the car to someone else (who is not next in line), would that also have been my fault? Would you say I somehow had control of the seller?

Seems like in a transaction that you had nothing do with, you believe you should and that you decide what is right and what is wrong.

Without data (or all the facts), it is just your opinion.....

 

Another issue that has not surfaced yet: items for sale is listed "pickup only".

IMO buyers who get in line but require it be shipped are not in line unless the seller decides to ship, and then, at seller's discretion, they can go behind anyone who will pickup.

Any other thoughts on this?

John

 

I have bought and sold a bunch on here for many years. Still buy and sell some. The system works great when people follow rules. The only people I am aware of that have been mad at me were people trying to go around the system with emails or private messages. When I want to sell an item using multiple locations, I put it on eBay and put the link in the eBay leads section. If I post it here, it is only for sale here.

Based on my experience, here is my .02 worth.

1. Keep it mostly as is
2. Clarify the time frame required for people "in line" to respond. If the board doesn't set that, let the seller in their ad.
3. Clarify the "in line". Person interested must state " in line" first words in their response.
4. Require new members to have 10 post before putting anything in the for sale area.
5. 3 strikes and your out of the section, either seller or buyer.
6. If possible, have a feedback rating available for each member..
7. Different requirements for cars for sale vs parts for sale due to the big dollar difference.

What a pain this must be Jim, and all the moderators whoever you are. I for one, do appreciate all you do for this forum and Buick community.

 

You're welcome Jim. Along with all the others who made positive suggestions, we can now be known as "Ideas are Us". :laugh::TU::beers2:

ROFLMAO!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Mark you slay me!! :grin:

For those who haven't tried USPS, these are excellent shipping containers. I drive a tractor trailer rig, and usually have no problems finding and parking my rig at or near a US Post Office. It's the hours some of them keep which confound me. uzzled: p Sometimes I must even go off my specified route to get there. :shock:

Now for the "other" stuff that's been posted. Can we behave more civilly here?? It took plenty of my time to wade through all the old repetitive crap about old sales where he said/did this or that which PO'd someone because that someone thought the rules were not being followed to their expectations. :boring:ou:

Chris S. please reread some of the suggestions about improving and clarifying the pecking order. It seems you have a particular beef with one specific sale long in the past. How about letting it go as it's a done deal. We can move forward instead of bickering and complaining. One day you'll be the recipient of good fortune.:TU:

Funny you should post this Sean, as I had a similar idea earlier today. I wonder if some of the more computer savvy here could or more importantly, would take the time to develop a template that sellers could complete before their ad could be posted? It could have required to complete fields before any ad could be posted.

When you go to any shipping company's website looking for a quote, they have required fields complete before a quote can be generated. Would this be possible?? Or even feasible?? Comments, beefs, bouquets. :laugh: (Sorry, a local radio station used to have a call in show known as Beefs and Bouquets.)

 

Ok my turn ........WOW it's not that hard to buy and sell parts people ... I see it like this get on the thread buy the part or don't post anything unless you want the part. If you want more info ask for it. Make a decision don't waste the sellers time being interested unless your ready to pay ASAP. I hate being drug along for days on end. It's not that hard

 

Chris, my main point was simply to illustrate how repetitive commentary to flog the deceased equine was counterproductive to this entire thread. Perhaps my wording wasn't clear enough however. :beer

Several members, including myself, took the time to think of possible remedies to the problem.

You're one of the good guys here, so it's all fine with me. :TU:

 

It all good Tom, I pulled back some post to help clear the air.

Adding more rules won't fix the real problem, yes things can be cleaned up but the real problem has nothing to do with shipping boxes, pre pricing shipping, more and better pic's etc. For sure we need to get people to stop posting unless they are going to go all the way.

But the one thing that most board members want most is to be able to have a line and know that we are ALL following the same rules. And that means zero tolerance for line jumpers, people have got the boot for some pretty small things here over the years but not this. You were over on the thread I started, it was echoed there, the same here. We can't let a few bad apples screw up a great thing, if you can't trust each other you really are the same as the rest. There is a lot of hard feelings when one of your own slaps you in the face.Thanks for the kind words Tom:TU:

 

Chris, I've highlighted the real reason why we're in this thread. :TU: Many of the ideas presented here are designed to clarify existing rules with different wording. Tweaks to the system, just like racers do when searching for that extra tenth at the track. :beer

I've long grown weary of poorly written ads for some widget or gizmo sprocket that invite more questions than are necessary. That justifies adding size and weights to parts ads to eliminate, or greatly reduce all those who *think* they're in line by asking for that info as well as shipping quotes, which delays the sale. That can also cause those in 2nd, 3rd or 17th place to lose interest, again delaying or costing a sale.

There's a few members here who write excellent ads, whether here or elsewhere. I'm certain this adds value to their item by increasing exposure.

Sure it sucks when someone you trust puts the shank in your back. Not much we can do after the fact, except move on. I'm not so sure outing them is justified, unless it's a major item. o No:

 

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Chris,

Man, it's been 8 years since then! Since your comment above is directed at me, I will remind you that I didn't need to go though the back door since I was first in line in the ad you mentioned above and only bought the NOS fender wells. I didn't purchase anything out from under you or anyone - I was first to publicly reply to his ad (in the thread, not in a PM) and you have clearly stated that you believe in first come, first served. :TU:

The facts are Dwane Williams beat you, Tom, and Andrew to the punch. He didn't commit any crimes or even break any rules, he just bought some parts from a guy that was trying to sell some parts for his father. Now, since he didn't do it publicly for all to see, it forced Jim to make some changes despite the poll clearly showing that the members didn't think changes were needed. http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.p...ossible-quot-For-Sale-quot-forum-changes-Poll

Dwane bought the parts (again, through a wide open back door at the time) and used them on the silver car that I believe you built the motor for. He didn't flip them, he used them.

Andrew finally got his perfect NOS sill plates from JW. :laugh:

Now you and I are friends as a result. Hopefully you and Chris P. can get past this too. :TU:

 

Hi everyone,
First, v8buick.com is the best. Not just for Buicks, but anywhere. I can't begin to explain how much I use this site. Great information, great people! JW, I can't thank you enough for what you've created here!

Second, the rules currently in place are just fine! I think there are enough responsible members to keep the classifieds policed properly.
I am monetarily challenged, and use the board to sell items once in
a while to stay afloat. Other times, I buy stuff. $50 is a big deal to someone like me. That's 2 weeks worth of gas for someone living paycheck to paycheck. As much as would love to be a contributor, I just can't. Its tough enough trying to build my skylark on a shoe-string budget. I hope thatthis threadthread is enough to save what we already have. Maybe have a waiting period for new members to start selling. That's the only change I can see worth making. Thanks everyone for your time!

 

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