Value question on 70 Stage1 Convertible

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Smartin, Nov 25, 2023.

  1. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Kinda sorta hypothetical....

    Assuming the car is a #2 restoration with correct parts. Non original engine or trans, but period correct parts.

    If one was to paint the car in a yellow GSX theme with front and rear spoilers, how badly does this affect value? I am hesitant to advise anyone to do this due to killing he value of the car, but I don't know how hard of a hit it would be if they went to sell it down the road. (assuming no major market changes)

    Car was originally harvest gold with burnished saddle interior and sandalwood top...but if the GSX theme is tossed out the window, we would go with a 1970 correct paint color and black interior/likely black top.
     
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  2. gsfred

    gsfred Founders Club Member

    Skylark vert OK, but I would not do that to a BB conv especially a Stage car. My $.02. That said if you are doing it for you then have at it.
     
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  3. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron Platinum Level Contributor

    X2
     
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  4. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron Platinum Level Contributor

    How about harvest, gold, pearl, white interior and white roof or black roof?
     
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  5. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron Platinum Level Contributor

    Blacks, just hell in a convertible if you’re going to drive it if it’s going to be a show car than black would be fine.
     
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  6. Ryans-GSX

    Ryans-GSX Have fun, life is short.

    I would not do that on a convertible. That will in my opinion cut the value due to making it less desirable for a large amount of buyers. I would say rather than do a GSX theme paint pick a good color combo from 1970 and paint it a better color combo. We all know Gulfstreem Blue with white int sells great as well as looks great.
     
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  7. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Black interior is already bought.

    I’m aware the value will get hurt with an X theme paint job, but how badly will it get hurt is my question. And I ran it my decision…but I’m doing my work to make sure client is aware of the choice that is made.
     
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  8. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Please advise them not to do this....imo it would DESTROY the value.....any other 70 Buick color would be half the hit a X deal would do to it
     
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  9. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    A non matching #2 car is what a 70k car??? Imo opinion I would think it would almost cut it in half....done in diplomat...sherwood...fire red...etc....it's still a 70k car
     
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  10. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    That's my thinking, too Ethan...but I needed to get some other experienced opinions.
     
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  11. George D.

    George D. Platinum Level Contributor

    70 correct color. Gulfstream with black is very nice!!!

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  12. Duane

    Duane Member

    In my opinion,
    the value of the car is it’s history. It’s a 70 Stage 1 convertible.

    If you paint it GSX colors then you are ignoring the history, hence the value.

    I find that anything that requires a repaint really puts off prospective buyers, even if that is due to adding only Sport Mirrors to a 70 car, or a rear spoiler.

    Interior colors, or even a top color can be changed, although both are getting expensive now.

    In my opinion, you might as well make the clone out of a Skylark rather then a GS or a Stage 1 car because the valve of the finished product will be close to the same….….but if you don’t care about re-sale value, and that’s what you want, then have at it.
    Duane
     
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  13. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    My .02 which is actually worth zero ..

    Once you deviate from stock and modify a car, even if it's just putting GSX stripes on a car, you now have to find a buyer that likes the same tastes as you. You really narrow your demographic and it's already small compared to the audience you hsve for a chevy for example

    You client may say, "well, im never gonna sell it". He may say and believe that right now, but things change
     
  14. gs66

    gs66 Silver Level contributor

    If they want it changed just do Day 2 bolt ons like wheel and tire upgrades that can be changed back in a few hours if need be. I would paint it the same color.
     
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  15. racenu

    racenu Well-Known Member

    #1 rule in business, customer is always right even when their wrong
     
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  16. GSXER

    GSXER Well-Known Member

    I don't think it will kill any value . Car is already nom and trans.Im sure he didn't pay a premium for it.Theres an ass for every seat last 3 GS's I sold went to guys who never owned a buick guess they got sick of camaros and chevelles.I personally love the GSX look on the convertibles too 20190811_165318_HDR.jpg bad the factory never offered it.
     
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  17. Brian Albrecht

    Brian Albrecht Classic Reflections

    While few would argue the gold convertible illustrated above is a good looking street machine, I think what is in question here is more along the lines of a "stock" restoration.

    My major issue with any 1970 Stage 1 car being painted into a "GSX" in Saturn Yellow is the quagmire one gets into with regard to emblems. The hypothetical car will look terribly incorrect with GS Stage 1 fender badging, and with those emblems deleted it gets one step further removed from being a GS Stage 1. Those call outs were part of the original package.

    Personally, minus 100% on value, because I would no longer consider the car's collector car value, but the owner no doubt still will, and we will not come together on price. That's exactly why guys are saying find a Skylark. It takes collector car status somewhat out of the equation.

    From that perspective, doing a 1970 color change isn't nearly as sinful. Switching to Desert Gold is something I would consider. That's a great color, and still labeled gold. Maaaaybe minus 5%? Any other color minus 15%. Unless it's aqua mist with a white top, then you're at +15% :D

    The customer is already deviating from the cowl tag. I always ask myself why people buy collector cars so removed from their individual likes? Why can't they mentally adapt to what Buick tastefully offered back in the day, especially given the browns, golds, and greens that were so much a part of the era?
     
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  18. TTNC

    TTNC Well-Known Member

    IMHO if you're going the GSX route, at least make the graphics and color as correct looking as humanly possible to what the factory would have built, e.g. don't do it like this: 1972_buick_skylark-pic-8152235105212507494-1024x768.jpeg

    But more like this:
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  19. TexasT

    TexasT Texas, where are you from

    Because, unless you grew up or at least lived through that era, those colors are fugly. My kids do NOT like the brown on my GS455. I will paint it a differnt brown(probably that Toyota brown that looks black at night), mostly because I like that color and will paint the roof pearl white. It is originally a white painted top but it is mine so I want pearl white.

    As far as a GSX convertible that the guy "will never sell", well as Jason pointed out, things change. We are all only care takers and these cars might not make it to the next owner but non of us are getting any younger. If that is what the owner wants and he can afford to make that move, more power to him. I hope he gets the maximum enjoyment out of it. As far as value goes, it was pointed out above, there is a butt for every seat, but finding that buyer when you are selling is an obstacle.

    I would want every owner to enjoy their vehicle to the fullest. That is what the hobby is about. Sadly, we have ALL been to a show, meet, event and seen vehicles only that owner could love.
     
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  20. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    From a value perspective, it might not hurt the value so much per se as severly limiting the potential buyer pool. So will the color change, but not as badly. To me, either would be a deal killer unless the car was so cheap as to be able to undue the "damage" (so ~50%) which in the case of the GSX scheme, would be even less to include a hood & trunk lid assuming the hood tach is added (whatever is done, folks please stop cutting holes in good hoods - Surely plenty out there w/the deed already done).

    Personally, I think the orig. color scheme (w/dark saddle interior pref. but since the black interior is already bought...) would be a beauty but pretty sure I know whose car it is (talk about body shop jail... Glad for him you have it now) & I don't think he (nor his family) will go for that so... In that case, blue is probably the better choice for potential resale. George's car looked great! Or maybe Burgandy Mist or even a Riviera only color (Sunset Sage or Stratomist Blue).
     
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