Unpleasant surprise in 50 year old pan!

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by 69WILD, Nov 5, 2021.

  1. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I don’t have any qualms about it’s accuracy, even if it is off a few degrees it would not make a difference in performance cause the engine can only tolerate so much timing, the tab only shows a number for repeatable reference.
    Plus I slotted the balancer to indicate true TDC when setting up for cam degreeing, that’s the mark I use for ignition timing. The factory slot was a few degrees off
     
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  2. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    I believe it is 8* off. Please replace!
     
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  3. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron


    So I believe that tube is true 0*
     
  4. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Maybe your damper had slipped and the other timing tab is close?
     
  5. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Should be a groove on the damper that aligns with zero on the tab at TDC.
     
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  6. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    As long as I have all the plugs out now I'm thinkin I may as well pull the valve cover and confirm cam degree with the dial indicator gauge and balancer tape. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I believe it’s pretty accurate, but even if it’s off by a few degrees, it’s showing repeatable readings.
    Let’s say it’s off by 8* that would put my initial at 10 BTDC and my total at 22*
    I know if I were to advance it 8* from where it’s at, the engine would rattle itself to death with over 11.5 to 1 comp ratio :eek:
     
  8. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    It seems all in should be closer to 33 not 22
     
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  9. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    Centrifugal advance stop bushing may be too large.
     
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  10. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Maybe compare your aftermarket or V6 cover to a stock cover with the cast-in timing tab.
    What good is that cover with the bolt on tab if it's not on the money.
     
  11. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I’m all in at 30* now.
    33* I gotta run race gas at the track
    What I’m alluding to is IF the timing tab was off and my timing is ACTUALLY 8* LESS than indicated my total would only be 22*
     
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  12. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I bought a larger one to limit my centrifugal advance to only 10* so I can run 20 initial, which makes for 30 total.
     
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  13. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    I did the comparison on my two. About 8* but I didn't take a picture to prove it.
     
  14. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Mark, how's the cranking when hot?
     
  15. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Cranks fine, fast, I attribute that to the overlap in the cam ( which there isn’t much, IIRC 7*)
     
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  16. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    I need the larger bushing since I will have to run total at 28 for the nitrous. That way I can run enough initial for the cam, I think I am at 15-17 initial and a bigger stop would let me keep it there and advance 10-13 more.
     
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  17. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    I checked cam degree today. It's approximately 1.75 degrees advanced. Could be a small part of my detonation problem? 20240322_221206.jpg 20240322_221044.jpg

    I also noticed secondary flaps and metering rods were not opening completely because secondary pulloff rod wasn't long enough to allow. I bent it a touch to make it longer so flaps open 100% freely. 20240322_103041.jpg
    I also shimmed the secondary hanger up a smidge using a thin piece of plastic secured w silicon and the attaching screw. 20240322_223904.jpg Experimenting trying to get more secondary fuel supply at wot. Thoughts?
     
  18. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    Also still wondering ur4 or ur5 plugs back in? This is a ur4 I removed. 20240322_070804.jpg
     
  19. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    You will run lean if your fuel pump is weak or filter is partially clogged. Or float level too low. Do your secondary's open all the way? I'm still not sure on your ignition timing. Years ago I could time a distributor by ear. Have lock down bolt just loose enough to barely turn distributor. Turn slowly until engine idle starts slowing down and gets louder or chugs. That is starting to retard. Note location of vacuum can. Turn other way slowly until engine speeds up and start to miss. That is too much initial advance. Note location of vacuum can. Right in the middle would be just right. Some timed with a vacuum gauge. Highest steady vacuum and back off 2 degrees. Works pretty good until you replace your damper.
     
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  20. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    The one UR5 looked better.
     

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