Thoughts on 455 oil pressure drop?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by 69 stepchild, Jul 14, 2021.

  1. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    At least the oil was well filtered!
     
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  2. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

    You need to either pack the pump with jelly or re-prime the pump by spinning the oil pump from above with a power drill before restarting the car...

    Assuming the pump is empty.
     
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  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The Buick Chassis manual tells you to pack the pump with vaseline to ensure prime. The consensus on the board is this is not necessary very often unless the pump is dry inside (gears and pocket). If the gears and pocket have a coating of oil, it most likely will prime. The important thing is to confirm you have prime and oil pressure BEFORE you start the engine. This is easy enough to do by spinning the pump with a drill until you see pressure on your gauge. You might not even need to look at the gauge as when pressure builds, it noticeably loads the drill motor down.

    Anytime you disturb the timing cover seal, there is the potential for losing prime. When I had to pull my timing cover to replace the gasket, I didn't pack the pump. It primed up almost instantly though because the cover was only off for a few hours, and there was enough oil on the gears.

    If it doesn't prime right away, there are a few tricks to get it there. Some spin the pump back wards a bit, then forward. It can also help to squirt some oil in through the sender hole to get some oil in the pump cavity.
     
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  4. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    X3. If the oil pump is still wet with oil, packing the pump shouldn't be necessary. Just be careful while priming that you don't push down on the drive shaft/gear. If this doesn't do it, try the above tricks before resorting to packing.

    Devon
     
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  5. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

    A little too filtered. Still scratching my head how I could have done something so bone headed.
     
  6. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    More of us have been there than would care to admit ;)

    Devon
     
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  7. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

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    Main bearing pics in order 1-5. Seems like there’s more wear at bearing parting lines? That normal ?
     
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  8. qak

    qak Well-Known Member

  9. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

    I haven’t measured the with plasiguage yet. Wanted to see what bearings looked like in general first.
     
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  10. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

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    Here’s number 8 rod and bearing. Looks like marks inside the rod seat and back side of bearing. Not sure what to make of that.
     
  11. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

    Thinking I may be doing new bearings.
     
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  12. qak

    qak Well-Known Member

    Now that im looking at the pics on my computer instead of my phone I amend my earlier statement, I would replace all the bearings for sure!
     
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  13. 1969RIVI

    1969RIVI Well-Known Member

    I'm not a pro by no means but to me it looks like your crank bores are out of round and that there's no wear at all at the cap to block seams in the bearings. Also it looks like something has passed through there and scored some grooves in the bearings, does the crank journals have the same markings? You maybe into turning the crank and oversized bearings.
     
  14. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

    Yes, some trash definitely has been thru there. The mains looked good no nicks or grooves so hopefully the bearings sacrificed themselves. I’ll look closer at the rod journals when I disassemble the engine further. Only checked #8 rod so far .
     
  15. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I would also:cool:
    Just based on the discovery of the towel restricting oil flow thru the pick up tube:eek:
     
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  16. Robs455

    Robs455 Well-Known Member

    You had foreign particles in the oil. Dust, dirt, abrasives and/or metallic particles present in the oil supply embed in the soft babbitt bearing lining, displacing metal and creating a high-spot. The high-spot may be large enough to make contact with the journal causing a rubbing action that can lead to the eventual breakdown and rupture of the bearing lining.

    BTW, you have an uniform wear pattern over approximately around 2/3 of the bearing’s surface, that is the correct wear pattern.
     
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  17. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

    Update: Upon further inspection the #7&8 rod journal had some minor grooves you could barely feel. I took the crank to the machine shop and they said it could be polished out without having to turn it down more.
    Dodged a bullet by pulling the motor when I did.
     
  18. chiefsb30

    chiefsb30 Gold Level Contributor

    I maintain that whether its cars, or houses, or whatever, sometimes we all have a little "opps." Sometimes it costs us a little money, sometimes a lot. Most people don't like to admit it publicly, and some like to give people a hard time like they never did.

    Happy for you that it turned out to be not terrible in the end.
     
  19. Ken Mild

    Ken Mild King of 18 Year Resto's

    All this talk about paper towel, a piece of paper towel or shop towel blocking the little round pump screen cost me many $$ to do full rebuild. This was before I learned you never run these cars without real gauges. The idiot light was basically there to tell me it was time to pull my engine.
     
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  20. 69 stepchild

    69 stepchild Well-Known Member

    Glad to hear I’m not the only one to experience this. Seriously just happy the damage was minimal. I have other toys to drive but still a little sore about not being able to drive the Buick up to Woodward this past summer (and a good thing I didn’t).
     
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