I know that Gary said they are doing acid porting, but like said above they are not gasket matching and the CC is the stock size... Obviously there is no HUGE gain in head flow over stock with these heads, but they are better than stock for sure. I really have no idea why lots of people on here seem to criticize and discount any time there is some 350s making good power. Lets just use this info to help with our own projects, who cares if this is a high dollar high effort engine we can still learn a TON from it. I am getting to the point that I am not going to post on here anymore if this crap continues...
Im not criticizing anyone or anything But if anyone here truly believes any Super Stock quality build is anywhere close to stock then they are kidding themselvs is all I have had many heads across my flow bench inc SBB buick heads and youd be surprised what a couplea of CC change in port volume in the right place will do to a flow curve I think folks are missing the point of the heads needing to be the stock volume size when they are done,but how you arrive there is a whole different story Noone will ever really know the truth about what is done to these heads,or the rest of the engine,so its a moot point Oh and lets not forget about the rings,pistons,bore finish,valve job,windage,oil control,valvetrain,etc. Those things tend to make or break a deal ike this as well Carry on
Guys, to me if feels like you have lost track of the purpose of this thread and the content I provided. Update this community with testing results of the new SP3 intake. I see, I didn't give all the good details, so, I understand the additional questions about rpm, torque curve, etc for each intake. Great questions!!! I will work to see if I can provide the saved datasheets of the dyno runs. We should be able to get most of what you are asking for here. Stay tuned. I may have sidetracked everyone with the Super Stock details, but, all we wanted to do was provide details around this 350 build. My description of the build is so you understand what I would call a test-bed. We have a great 350 combo that has many many many dyno pulls, so we know the details of this motors performance. Yes, we have also calibrated results based on multiple dyno machines. This motor has been around Gary for quite a while. Also, were we go, Zimmerman Brothers, run a great speed shop. Their dyno is on the money for calibration. So us to justify any improvement or lack thereof is just dyno details on a repeated test-bed. Again, stay tuned, I will get some sheets and details. So, all I was trying to do was provide the news about our testing and the update I gave is that the SP3 improved this SBB 350 test-bed's performance by 25 HP. It has plenty of potential and flows very well. I think the dyno sheets should answer some additional questions about the performance curves. From our viewpoint, using our very consistent test-bed and same dyno methods, is that TA did a great job developing this SP3. Troy
Troy, Thanks for your update, I have been looking forward to the sp3 and it is nice to hear some news.
Troy, you are right. It is great to get hardcore data, not conjecture. I think once the rpm points are added to the HP mix the real worth of the intake will become clear. Some it will help, possibly greatly, some will have mixed results, and others it won't do anything for. Just like most parts in the high performance world it will come down to the guys who are serious about getting the best out of their cars will get something from the intake. Those that just want to say they have the "good stuff" will be able to say so but will never find out if they are getting what they paid for and probably won't care. Anyway you look at it thank you TA Performance and thank you Gary and your crew for doing the Buick community a great service. I absolutely agree that at the rpm the SS and big power guys use the SP will shine. How any DP would cause an engine specifically built(not an SS engine) to shift at 5500 rpm to be "sluggish" just doesn't make sense that is if you are making a blanket statement about DP's on 350's in general. An older record list: http://sportsman.nhra.com/content/about.asp?articleid=34587&zoneid=101 Does anybody think the SS/C record holder AMC has truly "stock" heads other than the p/n as Nick said? http://www.nhra.net/stats/ss_record.html I wonder if that SS/OA Olds is a Gary powered Buick 350?
I agree with other that its nice to get some data/ feedback on new products I think there are alot of folks who hang on every new part released and ,even if that part is possibly needed or better than ther current offering,they dont fully understand why? Like was mentioned by many other in this thread,unless you are building the same specific combo,that new intake may not work any better than the old D/P UNIT.Remember,that the reason most people who have run an stock intake up against the T/A piece havent seen large gains is becasue the ebngine diidnt need any more aiflow and the MANIFOLD WASNT LIMITING PORT FLOW OR CROSS SECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and i think the answer to peoples questions of if they need one, have already been answered by you multiple times(see hilites) Thanks Troy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh come on now.. we can't have any fun with you, after all the abuse you have dished out on our beloved BBB? Your no fun.. :laugh:
Seriously Sean .. read your initial post That makes it sound like any Buick Joe with a SBB could slap on this intake and ShaZammm !! you just went from Clark Kent to SuperMan in a single bound .. reality looks like - and known by BBB guys for years and years - throwing an aftermarket intake on an otherwise untouched motor does little except reduce nose weight. It is Exciting that the SBB world is finally getting some attention and performance parts but, as we all know, its the combination (of parts) that counts and really wakes up any motor
You can probably change everything and anything that the rules didn't mention that you can't change. Derek
Come on, give him a little credit. He was close, got the rpm in there, just forgot the 'SUPER STOCK' part, built by pros...... That rpm is the key. If your combo can twist 6,000+, the SP3 will shine.....
The test I would like to see is the same as what underdog 350 said. How the curves go throughout the rpm range with the three intakes. I really do not think my stock intake would have gone past 6000 rpm like the TA DP did but hey you never know. Even so 50 lbs less weight is 1/2 tenth in the 1/4. Lost by that much a couple o times. Hey Sean, you have to take the good with the bad. Go to Yellow Bullit web site those people are brutal over there. Make this place look like a sissy shop.
I absolutely agree that at the rpm the SS and big power guys use the SP will shine. How any DP would cause an engine specifically built(not an SS engine) to shift at 5500 rpm to be "sluggish" just doesn't make sense that is if you are making a blanket statement about DP's on 350's in general. mike, i know there is a difference and a difference when the cam comes in. the d/p pulls a lot slower than the s/p. the shift drop on my engine on the d/p was roughly 1k. the drop on the s/p was roughly 3-500 rpm and climb right back to 7500. the engine just loved the s/p.
Overlooking the mechanics of what you are saying about the shift drop I can see how revving a DP to 7500 would seem sluggish compared to a SP since it is completely out of its league.
That's what we need right there! :TU: Keep these 350's on the pipe and rockin!!! :3gears: :3gears: You don't want the party over at 5,500!
You guys are funny. The Buick 350 has needed a SP intake for a long time. I'm glad my motor and car get to be the guinea pig. Does that make me a test dummy? <img src="http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr103/Stock4106/Regal.jpg" border="0" alt=""/></a> <img src="http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr103/Stock4106/sp3_1.jpg" border="0" alt=""/></a> <img src="http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr103/Stock4106/sp3_2.jpg" border="0" alt=""/></a>
Owen, Thanks for joining the conversation. I'm positive Gary already has plenty of responses to your question. Troy
No, it makes you one lucky Son of a Gun! Nice car, BTW, and that Q-Jet looks good on there, too. Gotta get me that dual return spring deal going, too, for safety.
