I just bought Super Tramps Greatest hits the other day & although they are not one my favorite groups i had forgot how good some of their songs were like "Good Bye Stranger" ,"Breakfast In America", "Bloody Well Right" & "Give A Little Bit. Me & my wife actually sat down & listen to it last evening,bought back lots of memories!:3gears:
As a matter of fact, I asked my wife for that same CD for Christmas and have been enjoying it ever since. There really is some very good music there! My 5 year old daughter started singing "Bloody Well Right" just a few minutes ago LOL :beer
Dreamer LOL!Steve-I can't get the dang song "Dreamer" out of my head!:eek2: I don't even care for the song that much,but i keep hearing it over & over in my head:ball:
Great group. I really like the Breakfast in America album. They got back together and released a new album a few years ago too. See, I don't listen to the hard stuff exclusively.
I've got all thier ALBUMS! I like them almost as much as i like the Grateful Deadp Peace and Music...does your soul good. WB
I picked up the Breakfast in America CD for $3 at the local Pawn America a few weeks ago. Was great listening to it again, haven't heard it since I quit spinning the vinyls! I still have over 400 albums, what are people doing with theirs?
Memories, SCARY!!!!!!! I think I have a vinyl version, who knows, maybe a CD, now I have to go look! :grin: I don't have that many albums, so they just stay where they have been for the last 20 yrs or so, in the bottom of the entertaintment shelf, with the turntable on top, just in case! :bglasses: :beer RV
Huh? I looked alittle bit at my stash, but was blinded by the light, or the bifocals! are we getting old or what! I'm sure there's something in the stash, maybe on my WTSC, Clarkson University, DJ, last show, on 8-track tape! In 1978! YIKES!!!!!!!!!!:grin: :beer :bglasses: o No: RV
I spin the viynl every chance i get.Play them on my '74 vintage Pioneer stereo system that has not even burned out an indicator lamp and ROCKS like the day i bought it! Peace WB
if you guys have some really good audio epuipment ... find a supertramp "live in paris" cd ... great dynamics and clean crisp recording for a live performance. and the "crime of the century" and "breakfast in america" releases were also at one time remastered and sold by mobile fidelity as part of the 24k gold disc series.... both had much better sound quality than the standard CDs.
I miss vinyl. I miss the warm crackle of the stylis in the groove. I miss the large artwork on the covers. I don't miss the scratches and skipping and warping. Actually, the only thing CDs have on analog recordings is lack of noise. Digital recordings "sample" the sound, so there is a loss of something there. There is also a phase-shift introduced by CDs b/c it is not a true stereo. You can't beat the old analog recordings for capturing the music, or an old hi-fi for reproducing it. Still, CDs are very good - I converted long ago.
i wish CDs came in a big ol cardboard jacket .... with lyrics! especially "Frank Zappa's, Joe's Garage" I worked for a local record store chain for several years. We also were a distributor of music for other stores in the area. In 1987(?) one of the local store owners (a huge audio/recording fan) flew to England on business. The next time I saw him, he had me read an article form a high-end audio magazine that he had bought in the UK. The writer of this article had contacted 10 people (from the UK and the US). Their life long line of work was music related culminating in the testing of high-end home audio equipment and doing reviews on various releases of music covering most genres of music and critiquing the end results of the recording processes. 20 of the best ears and audio minds, known in the world He sent each reviewer a CD and Vinyl version of the 5 titles to be tested. It was up to each reviewer to use what they deemed the best equipment that they could get their hands on to use for the tests. They were instructed to not use anything except their ears to critique the music that covered rock, classical, jazz, blues, and spoken word. They were supplied scoring sheets for each track of music. They were also encouraged to make extensive notes comparing their thoughts of CD vs. LP characteristics about each track. After a couple of months, all reviewers were flown to a meeting (somewhere in England) to bring and compare notes. The meeting took 4 days to cover all tracks and all thoughts on the music and recording qualities. They all seemed to point out many of the points that vinyl lovers always seem to state among many, many, more. All seemed to prefer the Vinyl version to the CD version on every track. Then the writer of the article proceeded to explain to them that he had used the CDs as the master for the pressing of all of the LPs used in the tests. he said in his article "My point spoke so loud you could hear a (diamond) needle drop". I personally think well made CDs sound better than the best made vinyl. I am a long time car audio enthusiast and cant help but think if vinyl had better sound quality, it would have shown up in some sort of car audio SQ finals somewhere in the past 15 years. I have an Audio Control System 90 Model 11 center channel processor for car. It takes right exclusive and left exclusive audio and sends it to the right and left speakers respectfully. It takes the audio that is true mono and runs it to a center channel speaker. There is a knob that lets you blend the mono back into the right and left speakers to help fill the sound stage in the car. When I ran a turntable through it (2 years ago), more of the music ended up in the center speaker than in the right and left speakers telling me that it cant find muchstereo music due to low quality separation and noise introduced by the nature of the LP playback system. The turntable used was a pioneer PL-518 with an Ortifon 020 cartridge through a proton AP-1000 pre-amp.
Never heard that before... I'm pretty sure that isn't true. I will agree with you about the sampling though. Theoretically (at least according to Nyquist) you should be able to reproduce any frequency up to 20Khz (the range of really good human hearing) with a sampling rate of 44.1Khz. In practice, those who listen critically have found there is something not right with CD's. There is a harshness in the top end that makes cymbals sound like noise, among other problems. There is a new type of CD out now called SACD (super audio cd). It was designed by Sony and Phillips (the ones that designed the original cd). It samples at a really high frequency, and doesn't use PCM type digital.. it's actually closer to analog. Well, technical details aside, it has the sound qualities that everyone misses about analog- the smoothness, lack of harshness, etc.- but without the noise (that's where it's like cd). You can get a player at Best Buy for under $200 right now. For those of you that like old vinyl sound but don't want to mess with a turntable, I think you would be amazed at how great it sounds (no, I don't own stock- I just really like it!). Yes, I'm an audio geek... to the extent that I like to build my own equipment.
I've heard of the SACD, but you need a CD recorded using that technology to get the full effect. It is backward compatible with the "regular" CDs. There is only one "track" on the CD, and one laser. It can't pick up both channels at once. Tthe left and right channels alternate because the data does. This is so fast that we can't "perceive" it, and it sounds as if the channels are simultaneous. However, this alternation produces a slight shift where the phase of the two channels don't quite match up. I forget what the threshold is for our ears - but we can detect sublte shifts in phase. We can even detect shifts that are not incredibly obvious. For the more subtle shifts, in a double-blind test, you'd be able to tell something was different even if you couldn't put your finger on it. The part I'm not 100% sure of is whether the shift on CDs below our threshold.
techies.. you guys could ruin a one clown parade! i like the music! i have albums, cassettes, CDs, and for some bands or particular recordings, all three. all my supertramp recordings are on album. "take the long way home" just sounds good that way! so does dire straits "telegraph road" led zeppelins "ramble on", loggins and messinas" angry eyes" and blacks sabbaths"children of the grave". but pink floyds"careful with that axe, eugene" needs the crispness of a CD. while most of the allman bros. marshall tucker, and credence clearwater stuff is road music and works great on cassette. i guess it is all in you tastes. right?:TU: by the way, most of the punk bands i listen to are on album too, so the kids do know what vinyl is about:3gears:
SACD is a completely different thing all together- it's not backwards compatible with regular cd. What they are doing now though, is to make the disc dual layer (like a dvd). One layer has the regular CD audio and can be read by a normal disc player. The other layer has the SACD audio and can only be read by an SACD player. Many of the SACD's being released right now are transfers from analog masters, and you can hear a HUGE difference over the cd. There is a very slight difference with new music that was digitally recorded in the studio- more presence to the vocals, air around the instruments, but it's not as dramatic as when the source is from a Direct Stream Digital (SACD digital format) master or a good analog master. As far as the cd thing goes- yeah, it's all one digital data stream, and the Digital to Analog converter inside the player seperates it into the left and right channels. It's not like FM, where they take a +/- difference signal to derive channel information. Being that it's digital, there is not a problem in recognizing which channel is which. The problems you are most likely referring to are in the steep analog filters that are required right above the audio band with CD- it has to be nearly a "brick wall" filter, because there is a lot of digital hash and noise right above the audio band. All filters introduce phase shift, with the higher orders (steeper sloped) affecting phase more than the others. SACD has done away with that problem, which is one reason it sounds so good. You can even use a low order (not very steep) filter and NO D/A converter to get the information! Whether or not phase shift is even detectable to a normal ear is very debatable. All speakers shift the phase around more than you could imagine. Many times to get a flat frequency response, one of the drivers is actually wired backwards (180 degrees out of phase)! Sorry to go all techy on you guys- this is just really cool stuff. Of course what rtabish said is more important- without the music, it's all just another technology. So enjoy your music on whatever format works for you.
