Reproduction Z-bar failure after 500 miles

Discussion in 'U-shift em' started by schwemf, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. schwemf

    schwemf Mike Schweitzer

    The reproduction z-bar on my 70 GS 455 failed after about 500 miles. It bent to the point where it would no longer release the clutch.

    When I first installed the reproduction z-bar, I did have to slightly bend it to get the Zbar-to-clutch-fork push rod to align. Note that the original factory piece has this bend, where as the reproduction does not. Here is the thread that I posted to describe this process:

    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=166724

    The original z-bar that was in my car had been gusseted, so I have put that piece back in. So far so good.

    Prior to this failure the transmission shifted great with little pedal pressure and smooth shifts.

    Do you think that I have something set up wrong on my clutch linkage or transmission? The car is an original manual transmission GS 455, M-21, Hurst shifter, original linkage. The only reproduction parts are the z-bar, clutch fork, clutch push rod. The car runs in 13's at Bowling Green.
     

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  2. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Running a heavier pressure plate?

    Devon
     
  3. schwemf

    schwemf Mike Schweitzer

    I'm running a LUK 04-020 clutch kit, which I understand to be an off-the-shelf stock equilivant. Pedal pressure is nominal.
     
  4. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Hi Mike! I took a look the linkage in the Aquamist car and there is no twist in the lower arm that attaches to the adjuster rod. Although, the Z bar itself isnt exactly purpendicular to the engine. Its at a bit of an angle. Notice the angle as compared to the frame bracket.
     

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  5. schwemf

    schwemf Mike Schweitzer

    Hi Jason,
    The twist that I'm referring to is on the arm that attaches (via a threaded rod) to the clutch fork. Please see the link in my initial post and you'll see what I mean.

    -mike
     
  6. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member


    Yes, I understood you. The lower arm on my Z bar has no twist. But the Z bar itself looks crooked when installed (see pic).
     
  7. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    If you look closely at the pic, you can see the lower arm and the connection to the adjuster rod
     
  8. SpecialWagon65

    SpecialWagon65 Ted Nagel

    Interesting and seems related to the modification I am contemplating on my repo z-bar.
     
  9. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Ted, how is your Z bar oriented in your car? Is it crooked looking like mine?
     
  10. SpecialWagon65

    SpecialWagon65 Ted Nagel

    Yes, mine is like yours -also Greg Davis put a 4-speed into his '68 and his is also angled like yours- frame side slightly ahead of the block side. His works like butter- all Kleiner repo parts too.
     
  11. schwemf

    schwemf Mike Schweitzer

    GS Enterprises believes that the zbar failure was due to not using the original style zbar-to-clutch-fork threaded rod that they supply.
     
  12. BadBrad

    BadBrad Got 4-speed?

    ...begging the question, What were you using?

    The stock type with a crappy rubber bushing lends itself to misalignment, twisting, a quick degradation of the rubber, metal to metal contact, etc.

    I use a female spherical rod end with a stud and lock nut that truly is smooth like butter.

    My last clutch was a borg & beck style that ruined the clutch pedal, probably the thrust bearing, but never the Z-bar.
     
  13. schwemf

    schwemf Mike Schweitzer

    Hi Brad,
    I was using a female spherical rod end with a stud and lock nut. Yes, it was smooth like butter, right up until the zbar bent.

    I was also using a small piece of radiator hose to mimic the factory rubber boot covering the zbar-to-block-stud. Apparently this keeps debris out of this area. Perhaps the hose was too long and placed the zbar too far away from the block?

    A Buick 4 speed owner and engineer from Loveland Colorado blueprinted these 4 speed pieces some decades ago. I had thought that he was your uncle, Brad? It would be curious to see how an original zbar compares to the NOS copies. Again, both of my originals have a slight twist to the lower arm to better align with the push rod. That is why I modified the GS Enterprises arm to begin with.

    -mike
     
  14. schwemf

    schwemf Mike Schweitzer

    BTW, the clutch that I'm running (LUK 04-020) has a release load 450#, finger height 2.096". This is nearly the identical specs recommended by GS Enterprises.
     
  15. BadBrad

    BadBrad Got 4-speed?

    Not an uncle of mine.
     
  16. schwemf

    schwemf Mike Schweitzer

    Bill and Mark Macoubrie are the Buick GS guys that I was thinking of, i.e. they are relatives of the Buick 4 speed owner and engineer from Loveland Colorado who blueprinted these 4 speed pieces many years ago.
     

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