I run a Peterson single stage wet sump external pump on my race motor, I don't really like the way I've had it mounted. I know there's a few out there who run this pump, or something similar. Can you please post some pics. of how you have yours mounted? I never really liked the flange this pump has for its mount, so I'm hoping to get a better idea from you guys. I do have it mounted off the timing cover on an aluminum plate attached where the filter used to be, but the alignment is alittle off, and I'd like something more stable. Thanks Gary G.
Hi Gary, How have you been? Seen you go sideways on TV!! hehe Here are a few pictures of my pump mounts. The first one is the original prototype that incorporates the alt mount and pump mount together. Turned out to be too difficult and expensive. The picture of the mount on the old timing cover is my current design. I have a lot of these out there and they work well. Alignment can always be a little bit of an issue, but I build enough tolerance into the design that you can easily align it without hassle. It looks like you had the right idea with your mount, just not enough R&D! lol Steve
Thanks Steve. Do you have any of the timing cover mounts available? And how much are they? I'll try and call ya, I want to get that changed, the motor is almost ready to go back in the car. Just don't want to be "slippin' & slidin'" again......I am going to try that "Pinks all out" thing again, in Sept., Bakersfield CA. Thanks, Gary G.
Gary, I do have these is stock. They are $120 plus shipping. That includes Stainless mounting hardware. Let me know. Thanks!! Steve
One more thing Steve. Can you measure how far from the center of the crankshaft (or timing cover crank hole) to the "pivot" mount hole. I want to see where it would place the pump compared to where my bracket has it. Thanks, Gary
Gary, I'm on my way out the door right now, but I'll get you the measurement sometime tomorrow (Sunday). Steve
Gary, The farthest hole away from the crank center line is the pivot hole. That measures about 8 1/2" . The closer hole measures about 7 5/16". Hope this helps. Steve
Gary, Good to see you'll be at Pinks again. You'll have at least 2 more Buicks for company. Chris Lee and myself. Good luck with your car. Bruce
I am thinkin about runnin an external pump too. I run a buick 350 in my 66 CJ-5. Always seem to have problems with pressure and burning up stock pumps. Any help would be great. Thanks
Steve Reynolds is the "Man". A while back I bought the complete system from him. But bottom line is I use a Peterson Vac/Oil Pump with Steve's hook up. It's clean and it works. But Steve...I like the newer setup, wish I knew about it last year when I was re-doing the engine.
Steve Is the pump only supported by the 2 front bolts? Do you have a web page to look at your stuff? Thanks Rick
Rick, Two bolts that's it, that's all it needs. I know it seems strange at first, but the only real load put on the pump is to turn the thing, and with the notched HTD belt there is no extreme tension needed. In fact you need to run the belt just a little on the loose side as opposed to being too tight. Sorry, no web page. I really don't advertise as to keep my workload down to a manageable level. I do need to create a catalog page though, showing all of my products, info and price. I'll try to get that done in the near future. Thanks, Steve (P.S. Thanks Ric, for all the plugs! Remind me to pay you when I see you in spring! LOL) :TU:
How much will such a complete external oil system cost, and how well does it help to keep the oil cool.
Opa, I sell each component seperatly or as an entire "kit". Most customers already have some of the components needed, so it's not real often that I sell an entire kit. I do give a price break on all components when purchasing a kit. I haven't priced each purchased component individually for a while now, so I would need to do that before giving a firm price on a kit, but you can bet it will fall in the $3000 plus range depending on options, (this is including the oil pump/vacuum pump combination. The oil pump without the vacuum section would be less costly.) As far as the oil being cooler, I really have no data on that, so I can't answer honestly. Perhaps I could check with Peterson and see if they have any data from testing they may have done. Thanks, Steve
Ok, maybe strange question but if it doesn't make the oil any cooler, why are you guys using it on there engine? Is this a kind of dry sump system? Tnx Robert
Opa, I didn't say that it didn't make it cooler, I just have no data on how much cooler. An external oil pump has many benefits. A vacuum pump also has benefits, like freeing up 10 - 20 or more horse power! This setup is NOT for everyone running a drag car, nor is it absolutely necessary. It does however have many benefits when you reach a certain "level". It does not have a good "bang for the buck", but once you're at this level, every little bit helps. Steve
One of the main reason to run an external pump is to get the poor designed stock oil pump out of the picture. The housing is aluminum which expands and contracts, and with a stock pump to get more volume you'd need to run a longer gear set on the pump and it will cause more of a load on the camshaft. With an external pump you remove the load from the cam, can get a great deal more volume, and also more pressure, and you can feed more oil out of the pan and into the motor. Like Steve said this is not for everyone, at least until you start pushing these BBB very hard, I guess it's all a natural progression, start racing, and then always wanting to go faster, and that's when you start to find the week links, and improve on them to go faster! BBB oiling issues, and high RPM are usually what kills the engine......You mentioned a dry sump well, It's like a dry sump system except that you still keep the oil in the pan, so it is a wet sump with an external pump. One more thing, I'd guess that the oil could be cooler, you're running it thru external oil lines so there's no heat there from the block. I'm sure you could spend even more money and throw an oil cooler in there too.... Gary G.
