new rules for GSE 2005

Discussion in 'GSE Street Eliminator Series' started by Bobb Makley, Dec 3, 2004.

  1. Bobb Makley

    Bobb Makley Well-Known Member

    Well guy's it's time again, the rules are out. After a successful 2004 Jeff and I decided that it would be in the best interest of the racers to mirror the GSM rules. Most of the competitors changed their cars for this class and it makes no sense to change them back for one race. So we have used the GSM rules as a template for the GSE rules BUT (the big but) we did loosen up a couple of areas to try and get more cars to run I know there are a lot of cars that with very little work can fit in and be competitive in Both GSE and GSM.

    One change is we will allow a cowl hood. No real advantage to one other than hood clearance.

    We also put a max weight on a vehicle that has a big inch motor for now I dont see a 535 making enough power to over come the fact that he has to weigh 4100 pounds. We want the class to be close and competitive.

    Exhaust does not have to exit at the bumper it will be only required to go the rear axle. It must have mufflers though.

    We are also going to allow aftermarket seats for safety reasons at the speed these cars are going we need to be safe foremost.

    We also drop the need for the appearance of a gas tank. Several guys are going to add chutes and the tank will interfere.

    Other than that the rules will be as GSM was last year. I hope we can get some new racers to come out and run with us this year it is always a good time.

    these change were submitted to the GSCA and should be up soon.
    We are also making some big changes to pro street that should be up soon.

    GSE Rules 2005

    1. 1965-1974 Buick Skylark, GS, Gran Sport Century and Buick Apollo bodies only. Factory glass must be in place.
    Steel bumpers only. Factory GS hoods, Skylark hoods, fiberglass hoods, gutted steel hoods OK. Pinned on hoods OK. Stage 2 scoops and cowls only. Externally mounted gauges OK. Sponsorship decals OK as long as the are on the windows of the car.

    2. Any Buick V8 in any year model OK. Aftermarket block is legal.

    3. NO cubic inch limit. 7.75 lbs per cubic inch rule will be in effect for aluminum headed cars up to 3800 LBS. max weight. Meaning cars over 490 inchs do not need to weigh more than 3800 LBS. 7.30 lbs per cubic inch will be in effect for iron headed cars. Stickers will be placed on drivers side of windshield with minimum weight of each car after CI is claimed. All weights are WITH driver.

    4. The following cylinder heads are legal:
    Iron 400-430-455
    Iron Stage 2
    TA aluminum Stage 1 Street Eliminator
    TA aluminum Stage 2 Street Eliminator
    Bulldog Stage 1

    5. Any single 4 bbl cast intake is legal. No sheet metal intakes. Dominators OK.

    6. No turbo charging, super charging or NOS allowed. Fuel injection OK.

    7. Under the bumper ram air OK. No head light removal.

    8. Gasoline only. NO oxygenated race gas, alcohol or methanol. NO power enhancing additives. NO oxygen or nitrogen bearing compounds.

    9. Any headers are legal. Exhaust system is required to the rear axle, 3.5 max. Car must have 2 mufflers 3.5 max. Any commercially available muffler is legal.

    10. Any torque converter is legal.

    11. NO trans brakes allowed.

    12. Suspension mods limited to springs, bushings, air bags and shocks. Bolt on traction devices and upper/lower control arm replacements are legal. Aftermarket sway bars OK.

    13. Slick width limited to 10.5 by sidewall designation. DOT tires limited to 13.5 by sidewall designation.

    14. Trunk mounted fuel cells legal. Lowered gas tank sumps legal.
    15. Full factory interior required with the exception of front seats, after market seat allowed for safety reasons 2 required, roll bar, shifter and gauges also allowed.

    16. Cars will race heads up, off a ladder set by qualifying with the fastest car racing the slowest car off a .400 pro tree.

    17. Once CI/weight has been determined all cars must weigh before returning to the pits, after every pass, during qualifying and eliminations.

    18. Tech crew to determine who, when, and where any P&G-ing of cars.

    19. All cars must conform to NHRA rules for speeds and ETs obtained. This will be STRICKLY enforced if you want to run come legal, the rulebook will be on hand for any discrepancys. Tec for safety will be done by rules committee not the track.
  2. Bruce Hunter

    Bruce Hunter Well-Known Member

    Hi Bobb, thanks for posting the new rules, just curious, what about T/A stage 2 Track Eliminator heads? are they legal as well?.
    best wishes to you and tour family!!

  3. Shayne Dillinge

    Shayne Dillinge Well-Known Member

    Hey Bobb,

    Which side of the car do I place my dial-in on. :laugh: :laugh:
    Feel free to smack me at PRI. I'll be there all day Sat.
  4. Jeff Kitchen

    Jeff Kitchen Well-Known Member


    Good to see you're still at it. Are these rules also going to apply to GSM in Salem in 2005?

    Boy, just about the time I think I can catch up ... NOPE ... Rule Change!!!! I guess that's the breaks in a heads-up class.

    Have fun.
  5. Bobb Makley

    Bobb Makley Well-Known Member


    No we are not allowing track elimanator heads in. They are a tall port configuration and it was decided last year in gsm not to allow them due to the air flow advantage over standard port location. I feel the same this year so I saw no reason to change it.

    I can not speak for GSM I am not incharge of the rules for that class. It would be nice but I don't know. I hated to make the big changes but we felt we need to try and increase car count and this we felt was the way to do it. We may be wrong but by changing what we did we have opened up the class to a lot more cars I think. As for me I would not build a car that does not have exhaust to the back bumper. The other stuff is small stuff in the big picture seats would be the only big change and you don't have to change them. If you feel safe leave them alone.
  6. BUICK528

    BUICK528 Big Red

    Bobb, whatever you guys work out with these new rules will apply at GSM in Salem for '05. Once again, we want the GSM class to be the showcase GS race class at Salem.

  7. Bobb Makley

    Bobb Makley Well-Known Member


    Just think back to salem, Ask and you shall receive. :rolleyes: . I didn't change that for you but you could come wearing blue :grin: . I hope we can draw some extra cars with the loosening of the rules
  8. Bobb Makley

    Bobb Makley Well-Known Member


    Ollie had a cage and a net and a license, Jeff hart had a cage a net (NO license) I had a cage a net and (no License).
    I think if you check the new NHRA rules chassis doesn't need cert till 9.49 or a license till then ether I think I will let you know for sure. I do believe it is required to have a cage.

    Now I will get up on my box. If there is anyone running in the nines with out a cage they are dumber than a box of rocks. I have no need of a car that is looking to kill the driver in a class that I'm responsible for writing the rules for. If I let a car go down the track in the 9's and that guy dies due to his own stupidity for not having a cage is it still on my shoulders. I almost died in my own accident and it was 100% my fault that it took place. I bare that responsibility myself. But if I 'm in charge of running this class I also feel saftey for those that run in this class is most important and if that means cars do not race than so be it . So if the class dies due to the fact people can't come to the track prepared to run the speeds they are capable than to DAMN BAD.

    I hope that that does not make to many people upset but that is how it has to be.
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2004

    GRNDNL Wannabe

    Chrome Molly Funny Car Cage and a Chute....... :laugh: :TU:
  10. BUICK528

    BUICK528 Big Red

    :Smarty: :TU:
  11. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Guest


    DO NOT let your lawyer hear you say this...........or mine for that matter! :Smarty:
  12. Bobb Makley

    Bobb Makley Well-Known Member


    To be honest your right I should take that off. Maybe I will but before I do, I will also say this. The fact that this could be an issue and that the first place people go when they screw up is a lawyer that way they can blame someone else for their mistakes is why we are were we are today. If you are going to go 9.99 or faster it is your responsibility to be safe there, not mine or the tracks or anyone else's. So if someone dies in a car that is illegal the natural response is to sue the track for letting them go down the track. But really who is the dumb A%$ that drove the illegal car knowing it was not up to snuff. And why is he not responsible. I've done it in the past, in fact I did not have my neck collar on when I crashed and I alone did not know the sand trap location. So should I sue the track for not having it posted since you can't see it from the track? In my opinion no I'm the one who did not go check it out the track had provided it. I just was unaware of its location.

    Once again I will most likely not win any friends having said this but I just get so sick of everyone running to there lawyers instead of saying I screwed up now I have to take my medicine. It makes me sick because I know that if someone gets hurt and I might have been able to stop it, it will haunt me forever. And since I said I would feel responsible that I could be sued for not stopping them from running. My concern for others has basically put my family in financial risk now that makes a ton of sense. God I love this country.

    Now I will go change my post now.
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2004
  13. Buick Dave

    Buick Dave Well-Known Member

    Spoken well my friend, concequence for your actions, accepting responsibility, like life should be lived.

  14. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Guest


    Legal advice usually runs in the $200 per hour range. Are you trying to tell me the "check is in the mail"? :laugh:
  15. Bobb Makley

    Bobb Makley Well-Known Member

    Well I thought I would put it on account. LOL I was wondering if you have any pre cut sticky tape for your stage 2 emblems seems I bent the fenders on my car and will somday have to pull the emblems off.
  16. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Guest

    I just got a roll of double sided tape from the dime store and cut it to fit.
  17. yellow x

    yellow x Active Member

    Safety should never be questioned.

    Well guys, there you have it. For many years we have not had too much teching or enforcement of the cars. SAFETY is the most important thing, no matter what. If you need to spend the bucks to upgrade your brakes, cage, safety harness, or other items, do it. Even pull the damn pin out of the steering colum so the steering wheel doesn't lock up in case of shut down. This is all for your/my own safety. And it also guaruntees you won't be bounced at some other tract (like I was at Bakersfield, once). Hooray for Bobb and folks please take note of the necessity for change and safety.
  18. Gmachine Lark

    Gmachine Lark Well-Known Member

    By the way guys,
    The break for roll cage/license/collar/fire suit/harness is 9.99.
    I went through the process for 9.99 several years ago and then advanced et (7.49 and faster) later. Its a pain because you to go through a physical every other year. Wouldnt you feel better knowing that your apponent isnt going to stroke out on the way down the track though? Just because it used to be a street car doesn't mean it cant hurt you. If the car is light --put more roll cage or a fire extiguisher system in it.
    In addition a 3800 lb car going that fast has to be a handfull. My hot rod goes faster but at 2400 lbs I still take the golf cart past the finish line before I run at a new track and with two parachutes some shorter tracks can still get a little scary.
    Racing is no fun if somebody gets on thier roof but its better if they get to walk away.
    Just some thoughts
  19. Roberta

    Roberta Buick Berta

    Bobb and friends!

    The clue is be aware of the track and how it works, you sign an agreement with the track when you sign their waiver that you have examined the track and understand the track and how to get out of trouble at the end of the track, etc. Bobb will tell you he and others didn't know that there was a place to dump it at Cecil, it's hard to see cause of the uphill end of the track, but I knew it was there! But I can understand how others didn't see it, but back to the clue, Bobb wants to make sure that where ever we race(Buicks or otherwise) we have a chance as racers to tour the track and understand where the end of the track is and what is there to stop a car that has a problem! So just remember to think about checking out the tracks you race at next year, whether you have raced there before or not, you have to be safe, etc. R

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