new block

Good question....I'll answer for Kevin.
Yes,He's on it,And I believe will have cores available possibly for guys wanting to swap firing order with stock size cam cores as well.

 

Thanks Gary. I did a search under parts for sale and see that he is tooling up the 55mm cores now with the 4-7 order switch.
I still need to get over to your house and say Hi in person. Yes I know your busy, just give me a call when your not too swamped.
Kelly~ 440-342-0952 cell

 

Can some of you folks explain a little about the new block and what it might offer over the old 455 block?

 

Strength! Oiling upgrades! Big bore available! Smaller crank bearings!
All major plus'

 

What is the price for the new block, and the price for the one bored out to my specs?

 

http://bulldogperformance.net/buick.html
http://www.paeenterprises.com/paeframe.html
Look here for more info. But the bare block is in the $3,500 range plus optional machine work

 

Thanks Gary He is right.I will have 3 firing orders available the 4-7 swap 4-7-2-3 and stock on the 55mm's.I was thinking about doing the same on the stock size core but I need to sell them if I invested the money to have them made I need to order a minimum of 5 I don't have enough interest in this right now to make the investment.On the other hand I have in the interest in the 55s and I am ordering them shortly I will have 10 of these with 6-8 taken when made.So if you would like a stock size firing order swap roller cam find a few more interested and I will get them done.

 

new engine build up

Heres a combo~
New block/ crank with b/s= 573
All the internal goodies to support
Wet sump and vac pump
Best heads available maxed out
Matching headers of course
Custom intake with fuel injection
At least a F-2 ATI supercharger with 30lbs of boost
Water to air intercooler

Fiberglass Skyhawk fully race prepped, maybe aroud 1,600 lbs.
Gary K. or Doug H. at wheel
( yes I know it will be 'alittle slower with Doug')- sorry Doug :laugh:

 

Jim Burek
how's that block coming in the machine shop, eh? the last post was nov 19th and that was just to answer a question about displacement calculation.

i haven't seen anything since we haven't got time for all of this 'holiday' silliness, we need to know now. :rant:

whatsat? posting on the forum uses up valuable shop time? oh, er, um ... carry on then. :spank: :laugh:

 

Hey, at least I got mentioned as a driver. I appreciate the compliment! :beer

 

is the 4.5" stroke limited by cam height, or piston-crank clearance necessary to fit the deck height? What would be the possibility of machining for a raised cam if that is the problem?

 

Thanks Doug!

At 6' and 240 I am not to far behind you Doug.
Besides, I respect anybody that drives like you. I can't pick on you too much since we haven't even met.
Now Gary K. does have the advantage coming in at a buck 50 or so.
I have had a chance to talk to him on the phone and look forward to catching up with him over the winter. Bsy Busy.
This new block has fired up and renewed much interest in Buicks and I for one, look with anticipation for a complete running example.
The above combo I mentioned may become a reality in 7-8 month from now for me, I am selling my house and stand to make a bundle! The wife doesn't like the idea, but the house was mine 10 years before we got married.
Hope things are going well with the progress on final machining and I will hopefully be placing my order soon.
Kelly

 

for craps and giggles, i worked up a cube calculator on a spreadsheet.

Code:

Bore    Stroke   Displace    Config      
4.313   3.900    455.8305    Stock
4.343   4.150    491.8216    TA 494 stroker kit?  TA says the crank is 4.150 and YearOne says the TA kit is .030" overbore?
4.500   3.900    496.2146    Max Bore / Stock Stroke: very oversquare, good RPM motor?
4.343   4.420    523.8917    TA 524/528 stroker kit?  I wish they put more specs in their online catalog
4.500   4.500    572.5553    Max Bore / Max Stroke?  man that's a huge crank you're swinging there!

anybody have better specifics about what TA is doing? how bout you jim? is that what you were looking at for getting to max displacement?

 

The 494 uses a 4.351 bore (0.038 over not .030 ) it's the same as a dodge 440 -30 over piston but with a 1" wrist pin. That why your math didn't add up.
Kelly

 

I think TA uses (prefers) 4.4 stroke cranks. I think Mike at TA has (had?) some issues with the loads that the 4.5 crank was generating.

 

4.5 stroke and 4.5 bore is what I am looking at, just rounded it up to 573. Jim Burek

 

Jim-

Any updates on the block?

Also- never did hear if I have the option not to get the inside of the block powder coated?

 

I should have some updates this week. If you want to delete the powder coating, just let Geoff know, but it will eliminate it completely on the outside as well. Jim

 

That would explain why Mike sold me a 4.4 when I built mine. BTW, I was over at Scotty Guadagno's tonight talking about some possibilities with the new block, including using my 4.4 stroker crank with the optional 4.5 bore. Scotty did the math for me and came up with 560 cubes. That might have to be enough for me because I just can't see buying another brand new crank to get 13 more cubic inches. Unless one of you guys wants to buy my current 525" motor! That would free me up to build a 573" or whatever I want.

PS - Note to Rod.....Guess what I helped push into the garage at Scotty's house? Hint: It rhymes with Eagle! :laugh: Hint #2: It sits about four inches off the floor! :3gears:

 

Doug~
It won't be to much longer and you'll be helping Rod push it into his trailer. Where it will be coming to IL where it has a nice little cozy home for it. :Brow: