I have found this transmission in town. Is this muncie the correct one that I'd be looking for? I thought I needed a side loader? I'm sure this has been asked before, but having trouble finding anything. http://billings.craigslist.org/pts/3857720838.html Thanks guys...
Go for it!!! You would launch like John Force... For about the first 10 feet:laugh: But yeah, that's a granny/bull gear truck tranny.
Ok with that gear, id say if your dead set on a Muncie than an M-21 or m-22, is what would work best.
Well I was kinda looking for the np a833 but I will consider any manual I can get a hold of. Options are quite limited over here.
You could put a Saginaw 4spd in for now. They are FAR more common and FAR cheaper than Muncie 4spds. Saggies can be had for under $200:Brow: Saginaw and Muncie 4spds directly interchange, so you could do the 4spd conversion, enjoy the gear-jamming, then when you find a Muncie, swap it in:3gears: FWIW, a Saginaw could be all the trans you need. They are pretty tuff trannies really. Just remember, with your gears youll need a close-ratio trans... With 373s and a wide-ratio trans, 1st will feel like granny-gear:eek2: But the gear ratio on a Saginaw is super easy to figure out... You just count the grooves/rings around the input shaft:Smarty: Grooves- 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 0-------- 2.85 2.02 1.35 1.00 1-------- 2.56 1.81 1.37 1.00 1-------- 2.56 1.81 1.44 1.00 2-------- 3.11 2.20 1.47 1.00 3-------- 3.50 2.48 1.65 1.00 With your gears, youll want 2 or 3 grooves:TU:
Remember that with the Gm style 833, 4th gear is overdrive, which is nice, but you essentially only have a 3 speed with overdrive. First gear in those is quite low, and in my opinion way too low for your rear gear ratio. I have heard myself that the Saginaw 4 speeds are complete junk, and dont handle much of any kind of power. The Saginaw 3 speeds are quite strong. I have used the 3 speeds. Best bet is to find an m-21.
Ok, i heard the keisler kit doesn't fit too well, esp. For the price. I was looking at the American powertrain kit. Worth saving up for a 5 speed kit from them? Or do they have the same issues as keisler? This is what I was looking at for their kit http://americanpowertrain.com/i-852...a-body-lemans-gto-cutlass-442-skylark-gs.html
That's always the story, but hardly the truth. Ive beat on them and have seen them beat on and they are plenty strong for a mild small-block. In fact, a friend was running one behind a built 400-sbc with a 200 shot of nitrous into the low 6s in the 1/8:shock: He only pulled it for an auto to bracket race. What kills Saggies is beating on them in reverse:Smarty: The case isn't very strong where the reverse slider gear is and busting a$$ backwards will damage them. But like I said, the Saginaw will get you started for cheap and you can swap in a Muncie/B-W 4spd in when you find one.
Ok, I think I might've found a Saginaw 4 speed in town. Will try to go take a look at it this week. One more question along with the saginaw is that I have seen tales of converting the OD from a saginaw 3 speed to the Saginaw 4 speed. Does anybody have any further information on this. I don't really understand, does it remove 4th and replace with and OD gear or is it "switched on" then all 4 gears are at a lower rate? If that's the case can I "Switch" it on at any time? If I could get my hands on both, I would definitely consider that conversion and then begin getting the rest of my parts list together. Thanks again guys...
Ive never heard of an OD Saginawo No: The only 3+OD/4spd hybrid Ive ever heard of in a GM is a New Process A833. And that was borrowed from Dodge, who were really into the 3+OD thing for a while... There was a weird a$$ Borg-Warner T-10 with a small auto trans on the back of it that could be ''switched on'' Is that what youre thinking of?
http://www.chevytrucks.org/tech/overdrive.htm That is what I found when I was looking around for an od conversion/addition for the Saginaw. I've found a few posts that did this swap. Apparently there was a write up in the April 75 hot rod magazine how to do this. Not worth it?
Sounds interesting... But I suspect it was made of a very rare alloy:Smarty: Some parts are cast out of only the purest Unobtainium and this OD unit is probably one of themou: I for one think the Germans have it right about OD. Most German transmissions even with 6+gears have a final-drive-ratio of 1 to 1. They feel that OD is nothing but a crutch for poor gear selection:Smarty: If you want an OD, swap your 373s for 323s and buy a 1-groove Saginaw... Itll amount to pretty much the same thing:Comp:
That's what i figured. Its just an in town car, so the 1:1 is fine with me, just thought I'd look into it, bored at work, haha.
So, if I could get a "working" Saginaw 3 ring for $100 I should jump on it? Then I could begin with the rest of the corresponding parts....
I would. The Saginaw will get you mowing gears on the cheap:3gears: And like I said, you can upgrade to a B-W or a Muncie later, because all three are easily interchangeable.
