From YO "Regarding blocks, and insinuations that there are megablock Hemis and bowtie chevys in F.A.S.T.: These insuniations stem from some one with no credibility who is obsessed with F.A.S.T., yet does not race with us. They are nothing but an attempt at stiring up discontent. I can tell a mega block from a water block. And I'm not going to let you all in on my methods for obvious reasons. I am also working on developing the same capability for bowtie blocks. I will do my best to make sure that every one is legal." I don't know anyone who is insinuating there are Bow Tie blocks, that came from inside your own camp. I can tell the differnce too and have already passed that along to some of you. The questions about Mega blocks came from inside as well, you guys know who you are and the photo cd's from the Mopar Nats showing the differences are almost ready. No obsession here (you guys sure give your selves way too much credit), people asked and I am trying to answer. Nobody likes to lied to. Too bad the FAST lobby is so one sided. Don't get so mad that you grab a pipe or something, I thought it was supposed to be fun ou: No need for a lengthy discussion here, base it only on FACTS. File photo, not necessarily representative of actual Nats photos.
Whether he is or not the musclecar hobby needs to see ALL the things going on to form an opinion. People can say what ever they want about car counts and such but when people are there and actually count them things look a little different. Without checks and balances people will say or do whatever they want and let people who were not there believe something totally different than the truth.
First of all, this is mainly the PURE STOCK forum over here. You want to whine about F.A.S.T. rules, do it on the F.A.S.T. board. Oh yeah, you can't! You are banned from the F.A.S.T. forum because they got tired of your name calling, finger pointing, and whining over there. For a guy with NO vested interest in F.A.S.T., Keith, you certainly are one of the most vocal people on ALL the different message boards with your anti-F.A.S.T. message. You mention "no obsession here"? HA! Seems to me that you guys are obsessed with trying to tear apart something that you are-once again-not involved with. If "no obsession here" then why go thru the troubles of taking photos and creating CD's with "incriminating evidence" of stuff that-once again-you're not involved with??? This hobby/sport of F.A.S.T. and PURE STOCK racing IS fun. It's the persistant nay-sayers that take the fun out of it and make it miserable for the rest of us.
The Year one F.A.S.T. rules state "A new Mopar Hemi standard replacement block is allowed, but a Siamese bore Mega block is not." I have a Siamese bore 426 block and it is water jacketed...just not between the cylinders obviously. Is this "Mega Block" different from the Siamese bore block? I'm asking because I'm confused on "mega block from a water block"
Moderator's Hat is ON .... I will let this thread continue, IF, and only IF there are NO personal attacks on any individual !!! If I see it turning into a train wreck, it gets locked. I think it is valuable information to know what the hell a Mega Block is, and how to identify it. It's not some super-top-secret-if-you-have-your-decoder-ring-on kinda thing. The whole notion of why a "replacement" Hemi block is allowed, but a Genesis Ford is not is kinda curious to me too. Since I don't have a car running in that venue, I just tend to watch from the sidelines. For the most part .......
Thanks Casey, I came over here because of the level of class and tolerence of the Buick guys!!! :TU: :TU: I truly appreciate you guys allowing information to get out without censor for reasons of perception. Keith
Frank I have to correct you, a little research would show that all of my posts are still on the YO site (all but one, it was about Richard Petty having a vinyl top on a NASCAR RoadRunner in 1968, that one got deleted o No: ), I never called any names, never pointed fingers and did very little whining. I presented information, asked for clarification/intepretation of rules and prompted discussion between the other users. I was banned over a difference of views and that might change the public image or perception of the group. Not looking for a debate, just a place to bring information to the people who are looking for it.
Steve, It is still there, it was turned over to the NSCA to tech, enforce the rules and govern the class. Due to other personal commitments I have not been racing this summer and havn't help promote the class. I am building 2 new cars for different types of events. I will definately be back at the NSCA but in a different class.
My question was for clarity. I'm used to "water blocks" being water jacketed even if siamese bore and "non water blocks" as being solid race only units. Is the Siamese bore block considered a "Mega Block" as stated in the rules? (and illegal I might add) Is the "water block" considered the standard replacement unit? (legal per the rules) If this is the case it might be better to identify them as Siamese vs Standard just to be clear. o No:
Brian, if I understand your question correctly. I believe there is no difference on the outside of the block if it is a siamese bore or not.
So there is a third block without water jackets? Whew! if this is true talk about illegal for F.A.S.T.! Just to re state....the Siamese bore Mopar performance block I own has water jackets and is a water block. Not legal for F.A.S.T. though! :grin:
I don't know if there is a third block without water. The siamese bore and regular bore are the same on the outside, there are several differences between these and stock that are visable and a couple that can't be machined off.
ou: Duh! I forgot I have a Mopar performance catalog in my brief case! As I read the F.A.S.T rules I believe: PN P5007667 thru P5007670 Non siamesed would all be legal. PN P5007622 and P5007623 Siamese bore blocks would not be legal. PN 5007627 Siamese bore raised cam (for that really big stroke) would not be legal. I think those guys should consider the Genesis unit for Fords. o No:
Maybe post pictures Now that I have gone to the Year one site and seen what Joel has posted. (the begining of this thread) I'm going to put my Siamese bore block next to my buddies replacement block and we'll borrow an original '69 street Hemi block to figure out the differences. And then share to let you all in for obvious reasons. :TU:
Brian That is what I've been waiting for,a side by side comparison between the different Mopar blocks!! Thanks!
I am supposed to get to do the same thing soon, witha siamese and non-siamese blocks....... But there is still not difiinative answer ot the question "Does the FAST legal block have a performance advantage over the stock blocks?" I am getting plenty of opinons, but nothing concrete, yet.
