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help! i need to install a starter!

Discussion in 'Wrenchin' Secrets' started by racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003.

  1. racingswim2006

    racingswim2006 Member

    what's the best way to install a new starter assembly for a 70 GS455??? HELP!
     
    racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003
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  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Can you be more specific?
     
    flynbuick, Dec 7, 2003
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  3. racingswim2006

    racingswim2006 Member

    starter

    basically, there is no starter/solenoid in the car. I'm wondering the easiest way to install it in the car, without causing injury haha. where should i approach from? underneath? do i need to remove a wheel? etc. just asking for help from other experience such as yourself
     
    racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003
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  4. racingswim2006

    racingswim2006 Member

    starter

    i just ran out to the car, looked around. the car is a mess, but everything else is ready to go, just need the starter in place. Wiring there, but messy. Tested with an ohm meter, everything is where it should be.
     
    racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003
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  5. racingswim2006

    racingswim2006 Member

    starter

    help anyone?:Do No:
     
    racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003
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  6. grant455gs

    grant455gs Well-Known Member

    1. Disconnect the battery terminals.
    2. Jack front of car and support with jackstands.
    3. With 9/16 socket and extension, remove (2) bolts that hold the starter to the block.
    4. Wiggle starter out of the bellhousing going forward, then when you are clear of the bellhousing, lower the rear first.

    IMPORTANT:
    You make want to have something nearby to set the starter on, as it may not reach the floor depending on how short the wires are! DO NOT LET STARTER HANG FROM THE WIRES!

    5. Clearly label each wire, the terminals on the solenoid are R, for relay (if used); S, for solenoid; and of course Battery. There probably will be more than one wire on some terminals. Also, before removing the wires from the old starter, note their exact positioning. Make sure the wires go on the new starter in exactly the same position, and that none of the wires can touch another terminal!!
    6. Clean the block mounting surface, and reinstall (2) mounting bolts. Torque to spec.
    7. Reinstall battery terminals, and test operation
    8. Lower vehicle!!

    :TU:
     
    grant455gs, Dec 7, 2003
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  7. grant455gs

    grant455gs Well-Known Member

    Oops!

    You mean someone else has previously removed the starter??
     
    grant455gs, Dec 7, 2003
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  8. racingswim2006

    racingswim2006 Member

    starter

    yes, there is no starter there! the previous statement of the wiring is false too, the battery cables are missing of course, and there is not a wire from the coil.
     
    racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003
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  9. racingswim2006

    racingswim2006 Member

    starter

    i bought the car as-is, flatbed delivered. i'm planning on getting it running before bothering with anything else, if i know it doesnt run, i'd like to have the engine sorted out and rebuilt over the winter and work on the other aspects while that was being done, so hopefully i could get it out for it's maiden voyage(restored of course) next spring!
     
    racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003
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  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Well,
    The starter solenoid has 3 basic connections. There is a large lug on the solenoid that accepts the + battery cable, and brown and black wires on a single ring terminal.(both brown and black wires have fusible links). Then there is a purple wire that connects to the "S" terminal on the solenoid. The "S" terminal sees 12 volts in the crank position only. There is a yellow wire that connects to the "R" terminal. This wire tees into the wire going from the fuse block to the coil+(resistance wire). The solenoid sends 12 volts, via the "R" terminal, directly to the coil in the crank position only. This wire is not needed if you are not running points. That's the best I can do without more information.
     
    LARRY70GS, Dec 7, 2003
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  11. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Maybe this will help.
     

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  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Here's another.
     

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  13. opeltwinturbo

    opeltwinturbo Well-Known Member

    Larry: Excellent pics.

    Also, before you try to start this motor (not hearing it run), you might want to spray a shot of WD40 into each plug hole, let it sit while you are installing the starter, then try rolling the motor off the crank pulley nut. Sounds like the beginning of a fun winter.

    Where are you located? Maybe someone on the site can help you out. Goodluck.
     
    opeltwinturbo, Dec 7, 2003
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  14. racingswim2006

    racingswim2006 Member

    starter

    thanks so much for the help. yes hopefully a winter! and an even better spring! currently i am in the ann arbor area of michigan, about 30 minutes from detroit, if anyone's around, it would be gladly appreciated
     
    racingswim2006, Dec 7, 2003
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  15. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    I like to screw a 12" (or so) piece of threaded rod into one of the starter bolt holes, slide the starter up the threaded rod (using the correct hole in the starter!) then thread a nut on the end of the threaded rod to support the starter. This makes it much easier to start the starter bolt in the other hole because it locates the starter when it's pushed up to the block. This may not work in all situations because of the exhaust but most of my stuff isn't stock anyway!
     
    alan, Dec 10, 2003
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  16. Patsusedparts

    Patsusedparts Well-Known Member

    How's that?

    Can you get the nose of the starter into the bell housing?? On my 71 Riv I don't think this would work.
     
    Patsusedparts, Dec 10, 2003
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  17. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    If you mean a manual trans I have no idea, all mine are automatics. (edit: a '71 Riv would be an automatic, wouldn't it?)

    Come to think of it, nothing I drive has the converter cover installed, either! :laugh:
     
    alan, Dec 10, 2003
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