bought it at a swap meet yrs ago.. mint shape looks GM probably late 60,s.. anyone know how to I.D it? thnaks dan
I'll try... Could be GTO, SuperSport, GranSport, or 442. I think that they all could have had redlines back then. Can you post a picture of it? o No:
aa guys i,ll ck it tomorrow its at the shop.. its mint and the wheel is mint too.. someone needs this for the trunk of their muscle car.. i would trade it for [2] mint or NOS H 70-15 polyglas tires [mopar] your COPO friend COPOPETE on the board here sold a set to a guy a few months ago.. if someone can get them i would be extremely happy.. dan
aa goodyear custom wide tread, redline, g 70-14. wheel says m2/8=feb/68, 3/13 march 13 next to valve stem, TYO153T is the tire manufacture and date code.. i dont know how to read that... heres the pic its mint but dirty.. has the nubs just worn off it!
Thats because its :error: probably not a GM wheel. Look at all that metal outside of where the hub cap goes. Check the bolt pattern.
Codes will be on each side of the valve stem if it is GM. There will be a 2 letter code and perhaps some single letter or number codes. Didn't mopars have extra holes (small ones) in them. Memory is faaaddddddiiiinnnnggggg. It is a fiberglass belted (polyglass) or just a 2ply 4 ply rated (B) tire. Since is it is Goodyear it will say polyglass if it is. If belted then it had to be at 68/69 or newer. Don't believe the belted tires came out until 68/69. If not then it is earlier than 69/68. Just can't remember which year the belted tires came out.
Doesn't look GM to me either It doesn't look like a GM wheel to me from that pic. See if you can determine what lug pattern that is, (try it on a few different cars. It really looks like the smaller Mopar pattern bolt circle. I don't recall any Olds coming from the vactory with redline G70 x 14's. I recall redline F70x 14's, but most of the G70 x 14's were white stripe or raised white letter. Probably not a Buick wheel either since they all came with L60 x 15's, right? :laugh:
I don't think it's a GM wheel either (for what thats worth ...) It looks like a 4 1/2" bolt circle. Typically the Mopar wheels don't have the raised areas between the holes, at least until the mid-70's, but Fords did ??? Maybe a Ford wheel ??? o No:
Well, my eyes aren't calibrated, so I can't comment on the bolt circle. And I have no idea about the raised areas, but I do have a question: is that a balancing bb I see? I know GM did that, but did other manufacturers do that as well? _____________________ SPAM - it's crazy tasty!
Factory balancing All GM plants at that time used one weight to balance the wheel and tire assembly. Single plane, static balance. Hot wax was deposited in a color code to denote how much to put, and the tire was rotated and another yellow wax dot showed where to put it. You either got a 1/2 oz, 1 oz, 1 1/2 or 2 oz. Any more than that and the tire/wheel assy was rejected and replaced by another assy. Rejected ones were torn down and reassembled on another wheel/tire. Our main wheel and tire room at Oldsmobile Lansing ran at 600/hour in that time period, so that doesn't leave time to do split weighting like this tire/wheel. Some units were rebalanced with split weights in the audit area, so I guess I should never say never. I think all the automakers used similar single plane equipment at that time (Micropoise, I believe), so my best guess is that is al old wheel/tire from a tire dealer. Toronadoes used dual plane dynamic balancing due to the huge offset in the wheel. That was done on another line. My 68 came from the factory with Goodyear steel radials (an option on Cutlass, but not 442's) but they were defective and unsafe. Goodyear recalled all of them and gave a new set of anything you want just to get them off the road. This could be one of those deals. Rob: Go back and look at that pic again around noon. . Right between clearing up from last night's possum trot and tonight's transfusion. Your eyes are probably as red as that stripe this early:Brow: :Brow: :laugh:
Now that I'm awake...or closer, anyway... Thanks for the do-over on the pic, Dave! The wife stayed at the in-laws last night (my boys were headed deer hunting) so I had the house to myself, which meant NBA on very tv! The problems started when I decided that it was a good idea to watch the end of a west coast NBA game, which put me in bed after midnight. 3 faxes and 1 "call" later, and it's 3:30am and another day starts. I don't think I'll get into the particulars of what I've done after the "call" at 3:30am, though... But back to the wheel/tire. That is some SUPER info there! Mind if I swipe it, and use it over at our site? I'll gladly give you credit, but those Supercar guys would eat that kind of info up with a spoon! ------------------------- SPAM - it's crazy tasty!
With fading memory I don't believe it is a Mopar wheel as they usually had one or more small holes between the mounting holes. Just went out and checked the wheels on the T-37. I have a couple of chevelle wheels on it. They are raised between the mounting holes.
No problem at all, Rob I love this time of the year for the sports that are starting up, Big Ten Basketball, NBA, Red Wings Hockey..........and oh yeah, a little football game tomorrow against the heathens down South of here.........:moonu: :moonu: :moonu: Also happy that the Tigers always end their season early as do the Lions............. No problem at all, Rob. Be gald to take a shot at anything in the way the cars were actually built in the GM plants at that time, although my expertise and first hand experience was with Oldsmobile. Lots of the processes were very similar at the other divisions and plants. I was pretty deeply involved in manufacturing from 68-73 at Oldsmobile. At that time we were starting to get more pressure from "The General" to accommodate the newly formed GMAD division, so a lot of our coordination changed drastically with the other car divisions. I was Oldsmobile's rep on the corporate front end alignment committee for a few years and in charge of the EECS testing project for the new closed fuel systems in 1971. Really loved the work, but hated the job if that makes any sense. Got to be too much "how" you do things, not "what" you do. It's funny how we all react when the wife is away. I ended up in the Mazda hospital in Hiroshima on IV's and stomach pumps in 4 days after my wife and daughter came back to the US for the summer. The human body does have limits. I found mine. :gt:
I am definately with Casey on this one. It is a 4 1/2" bolt circle Ford or Mopar wheel. By looking at all of all of the scratches, the wheel looks like it's seen more actual use than the tire has. Just my .02.
I can see a couple of things that are against it being GM. The space between the wheel center and the outer rim is much larger on the GM than the tire/wheel shown and the raised portion is larger on the GM than the tire/wheel shown. Also can't make out any codes by the valve stem. Maybe my memory is bad, but didn't most mopar wheels have an extra small hole between the stud holes? There would be only one small hole between the stud holes but not necessarily more than one on the wheel? We are talking 1/8-1/4 inch maybe smaller. Come on Mopar guys, help out here.o No:
