Earth to Noel.. how 'bout this one?

Discussion in 'Stock Appearing' started by Dave H, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    In the good old days........hey they're Stock Appearing!

    Changed the title of this post. Seems Noel may not be the one restoring the Chesrown 68 Hurst...Oh well, pics are cool.

    This pic of another Chesrown Olds was posted on ROP. Thought you might enjoy another Chesrown Stock Eliminator car. It is a Ramrod, and notice the front tire is barely on the ground and the rear isn't totally hooked. According to Casey's friend Dru, they even used the stock W31 factory cam. 7000 RPM launches with old tire technology to avoid the bog in these cars.

    Definitely the "Akron" look. How's yours coming? I mentioned you over there and they asked to post pics as you go along on it.

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  2. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    ...and if you're good AND lucky........

    In the pre-silicone days of yore.......................

    SHORT PANTS! SHORT PANTS! DQ THE S.O.B. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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  3. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    Aha! I am finding out that Noel Drach doesn't own the Chesrown 68 Hurst. Guess i was misinformed. :bglasses: Owner is in Columbus!

    Interesting....Here's a shot of another factory sponsored car from the days. The Brainbeau 67 442 launching. See the similar launch to the Chesrown Ramrod? Akron look, full weight transfer with the tires slipping to keep the R's up. This car ran last week in Florida and a friend posted on ROP that it ran a 10.99 with the 67 400 E engine. Very neat car.

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  4. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    and from another angle..........

    Very fast car for a Qjet, stock cast iron intake, etc.

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  5. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    And here's how it looks today as a legal NHRA Estocker. Still under 3500 original miles.

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  6. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    At The NHRA Indy Nationals in 2004

    But it launches a little differently with the new tire technology. That and a few other trick parts (Headers :puzzled: :puzzled: :eek2: :eek2: ) dropped it from an 11.99 to a 10.99. Also see it's D stock now..Hmmmmmm???????

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  7. ndrach

    ndrach Well-Known Member

    Wow Dave nice pics. My H/O was sold from Chesrown Olds but, It's not the dealership racecar. Mine came back from the paint shop 3 weeks ago. I'm very happy with results.. I stopped by the Glasgo's to show them and they were impressed. As of now the frame is finished and rolling. the body is painted and the tranny has been rebuilt. The body should join the frame this weekend :Do No: I may be moving to NC soon so car progress will stop. If I can figure out how to post some pictures here I will do so. How's the 66?
  8. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    66 is VERY Close. Glass going in this week, going to finish from the cowl back at the body shop, then bring home for the exhaust, final brake piping, etc. Then back to the body shop for the front clip.

    Actual Chesrown 68 Hurst race car is also beiong restored in the other end of Ohio. It was the car being towed in the famous Hurst Heritage pic of the 68 Hurst towing another 68 Hurst. The tow car is here in Detroit area....somewhere. We're trying to track it down.
  9. Andy Tantes

    Andy Tantes Silver Level contributor

    many moons ago,right next door the the Chesrown Olds dealer here in Columbus was none other than "The Rod Shop".
    they used to have their little Colt wagon and Charger drag cars sitting right out front on the "Patio".
    if you go in the dealership,there are old pics on the wall from the drag racing days,but i havent been in there since they started selling Kias. :cool:
  10. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    The owner of the Brainbeau car is Sam Murray from Massachusetts. The car was a frame off resto of an actual red wheel well w-30 car that was built to be a replica of the car he worked on in 1967. the car originally had the vintage 2 piece headers that were used on the show circuit after the car was restored. Old photos were used to accurately recreate all vintage decals. Car now has more modern header design. Car is also a four speed. I believe this car is the first "stock" Olds 400 to break into the 10's. Brainbeau also had cars in 65 and 66. Sam worked on these cars all three years.
  11. Gary Bohannon

    Gary Bohannon Well-Known Member

    no-hop bars ?

    Look at the seperation between the rear tire and the wheel well!
    Is that because he's using no-hop or Dick Miller type upper bars?
  12. BlackGold

    BlackGold Well-Known Member

    No-hop bars? Maybe.

    But it looks to me there's some body roll going on. I bet if you had seen it from the right side you'd be commenting about squat, not separation.

    Hmmm, starting to sound like a Playtex commercial here. :grin:
  13. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    That's definitely the no hop bars at work. My car does that also. The air bags keep it from coming down on the RH side. The change the geometry of the upper arms and really plant the rear end down, thereby lifting the body. The "squat" that comes from cars with stock rear ends or incorrect (too positive) pinion angles is really the tire being pulled up into the car and the car coming down. It looks like it's planting it harder, but it's not. They ride horrible on the street, though. Feels like the suspension is all bound up.

    I had a pinion nose snubber built up on my B/MP Valiant years ago that wiould do this same thing. It would push upward against the floor, thereby pushing down on the tires. With all the weight of the 383 up front (partially offset by a bus battery in the trunk), we needed all the traction help we could get. Also had traction bars, so most of the springiness was in the tires themselves.

    Unfortunately we had it a little too close to the floorboard and one time it poked through on a 1-2 powershift. Raer body came down and cut the RH slick. massive spinout in mid track, but didn't hit anything (amazing). Put on another wheel and tire and drove it home (without the snubber, of course). Amazing how fast Milan's tewch crew blackflagged that car after that. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  14. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest


    I have to seet the Brainbeau run one time. We had the "Rapid Rocket" a 66 here back then. It brings back a lot of memories seeing one of these run.

    Also. there is just something about a 4 speed event or class that appeals to me. It takes away much of the automation flavor of today's racing and puts the human skill element back into the equation.

    I can still and hear see Ronnie Sox, a local guy, shifting into second and the front wheels never touching the track.
  15. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Sam Murray's Brainbeau car just broke the D stock record running 10.91 and also recorded a 10.88! That was at Gainsville FL. Mph was 122!
  16. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    I hear you Jim. I have yet to ever run an automatic trans car on a drag strip. Just looks too easy. :laugh: It definitely is a challenge, though, to try and keep up with them while rowing the gears, let alone launch them in our Pure Stock racing with the bias ply stiff sidewall tires. Ronnie Sox was definitely one of the best, my favorite was Dave Strickler of the "Old Reliable" Chevies with Grumpy Jenkins tuning them. They didn't always use the clutch and just kinda wiggled their foot on the accelerator and yanked. With resultant carnage every now and then. :laugh:

    There's a 67 blue and silver Fairlane that still runs NSCA Nostalgia Super Stock called the "Fountain of Youth". Paul Adams has been running that car along with his friends forever, it seems, and is now well into his 70's. He grabs second with the wheels up, too. About 3 feet off the ground. Awesome. Fun to watch him run Arlen Vanke. Two old 70 year olds! Both still do quite well, too.

    If I ever get my red 68 W30 together, it'll be the first automatic on the strip for me. Well, kinda. It does have a reverse pattern manual shift T400 going into it now. That may change, though. I change direction with these cars often. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Recently more often than I work on them!

    Just bought another engine for it (68 Toro 455) and haven't even put the last one (67 400) in yet. And that was the second one since Ii started on the car! :laugh: :laugh: I've had my 66 for almost 10 years now andnot including the originals, has had 3 different engines, 4 different transmissions, 2 different rear ends, and 2 different exhaust systems...and it hasn't been driven yet! :laugh:
  17. Gene H

    Gene H New Member

    Hi Dave,
    For what it's worth, the 1967 Olds 442 pictured here, the "Piecemaker" and the Brainbeau Olds 442 were two different cars. After Woodland & Andresen finished racing the 67 Brainbeau Olds 442 for the 67 season, Brainbeau Olds sold it to a guy by the name of Doc Burgess. He named the car "Black Arrow II" pronounced as "Black Arrow 2".
    Gene H
  18. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    Gotcha, thanks.
  19. chryco63

    chryco63 14's or bust!

    Dave, I'm curious... what's the Akron look? Anything to do with Arlen Vanke? :Do No: What kind of ET's did those '67 and '68 cars run in them old photos?

    Neat thread and history! :TU:
  20. Dave H

    Dave H Well-Known Member

    The "Akron look" came from some Pure Stock Pontiacs from Akron that have the front ends about a foot higher than normal even sitting still. :laugh: :laugh: All mysteriously owned by the same people. Very fast and beautiful. When we asked them about it, they replied" It's the Akron look"

    OK, I exagerated....maybe only 8 inches higher. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Nothing to do with Arlen.

    Sam Murray's car ran a 10.99 recently in Gainesville. Think the Brady/Molnar car ran in the 11's, know Vance's W31's were in the 11's when they were running against Sox and Martin.

    There were bits and pieces of one of the 66's in Vance's garage when it was cleaned out. Larry Bays got the aluminum L69 tripower intake (with all the appropriate production markings and part numbers cast into it). I got one of the L69 T code heads and had another made to match it. They're on my 66 442 that I just traded. Lots of sets of 7 pistons and rods.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I've got a few of them out back.

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