Checking on Timing set

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by 1969briviera, Mar 4, 2024.

  1. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    The biggest contributor to longer engine life today is the over drive transmission.
    The lower cruise rpm reduces wear, just look at tractor trailers, a million miles on the original engine happens quite often, nice slow cruise rpm around 1800, but TONS of torque:D
     
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  2. VET

    VET Navy Vet, Founders Club

    Mark, check this out. Semi-truck with loaded trailer - 17 tons to 40 tons. Pulling all the weight and still getting million miles out of the engine, amazing. Vet
     
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  3. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    1 inch slack on the timing chain. How many degrees would that be?? when you set balancer mark to 0* and than turn counter clockwise to see when the rotor starts to move. So if i measure 1 inch from the 0* on the timing tab to let's say 10* on the timing tab i can translate the 1 inch slack to 10 degrees? (If the balancer mark which i am moving counter clockwise stops there because of movement rotor at 10* degrees)
     
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  4. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    I don't believe mine is too worn but never had cover off.
     
  5. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    My stock 71 always rattled under load before I hotrodded it up a bit... 8 point whatever compression stock, regular low lead fuel, stock timing, qjunk carb, etc, rebuilt it at 95k miles. Bad valve seats, everything else, etc. I suspected rattle from vacuum advance. Disconnect it and rattle will probably go away.
    Something to try.....
     
  6. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    If your timing mark is steady it is okay. Easy check for chain slack is turn balancer mark to 0* (with a wrench) on timing tab. Remove distributor cap and when you turn counter clockwise look when the rotor starts to move and stop turning immediately. Now look where the balancer mark is at the timing tab, at which number or maybe even out of scale. That is your chain slack.
     
  7. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    I checked the slop in the chain by turning the crank back and forth observing slightest rotor movement. Seems like about 8-9* of crank movement before rotor begins to flinch. I should probably compare to my fresh 350 chain slop.
     
  8. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    When you check initial timing and the mark is steady you should be fine.
     
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  9. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    Wow, 1 inch of slack sounds crazy. I measured mine at 1/4".
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  10. VET

    VET Navy Vet, Founders Club

    Looks like you have a double roller timing chain.
    I would think that would never stretch to 1 inch. Lol
     
  11. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    That is the chain slack PLUS the gear slack between distributor gear and the drive gear on the cam core. The distributor gear slack is--usually--not very much; and is generally discounted. OTOH, some engines do have issues with distributor gear wear, or perhaps the "sacrificial" bronze gear is used, in which case the gears had better be examined so the wrong diagnosis isn't made.

    That's toward the upper end of what I consider acceptable. It's beyond acceptable if there's a strong bias towards ultimate performance--a race engine, for example.

    According to the service manual, you measure from the chain pushed towards the gears to the chain pulled away from the gears. Your "1/4" inch likely becomes 1/2 inch.
     
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  12. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    ALL chains stretch.
    Double rollers stretch less than the factory type link chain.
     
  13. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    here is how much mine stretched before cam change and I used the distributor movement by moving the engine forward then moving backwards to see how much on timing mark.

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  14. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Mine is similar to yours, good to go:D
     
  15. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    How much would 8* - 9* slack be in inches?
     
  16. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    No slop. I used a broken in .005 oversize chain/gearset for an align honed main, on a stock main blk. Fit real nice. Already stretched so this is where it's gunna stay.
     

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  17. 73Stage2

    73Stage2 Well-Known Member

    With the stock balancer circumference of 21.2”
    9 degrees of slack equals .53 inches or just over 1/2”
     
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  18. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    Thanks. And the manual says 1" that would seem as way too much. That would be 18 degrees which is far out of scale. You would not be able to set initial with that amount of slack.
     
  19. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    The 1/4" was total, so 1/8" in either direction
     
  20. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    Too bad there isn't an easy gear drive solution.
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