I recently transplanted my 72 Buick 350 into my 83 Cutlass. I decided to keep the CCC computer etc. (86 Olds 307 ECM w/hypertech chip) I had to combine an 83 Buick 231 CCC HEI distributor with a 1986 Olds 307 CCC HEI distributor, to create the Buick 350 CCC HEI distributor but otherwise the 6cyl parts - alternator, Psteering hooked right up. I welded the 350 frame pads to the crossmember - and then realized I probably could have used the V6 frame pads, bolted on..... I am using an olds 307 fan shroud and a 1.5" spacer behind the fan clutch. wish me luck!
thats my biggest complaint for the CCC system....too much going on on top of the intake...hoses everywhere. I do like the way they run however.
Keep us posted how it runs with the ccc carb and distributor, Im curious:TU: Your using the ccc carb, yes? If so, what primary metering calibrations are you using? I did a similar thing years ago, only the opposite, I used a ccc carb off a 307 Olds for my 231 4bbl V6 build, it was an '82 Regal. I transferred the jets, and such from the dual-jet into the primary side of the ccc Quadrajet, the secondary side you can do whatever, since the mixture control solenoid (I think) goes full rich at WOT and doesnt affect the secondary side. It ran damn strong, it was cool to hear the 231 and the Quadrajet making the secondary buwaaaaaaahhhhhhhh.
Why? o No: Ive heard of getting rid of the CCC system, but never adapting it to work on a muscle era engine. Im not flaming, just wondering what the point would be.
I wonder why also? At first I thought maybe emissions purposes, but I don't see a smog pump..Is there a possible performance gain with the ccc carb and distributor? I'm curious also, as I ditched the whole get up in my El Camino due to, too much to maintain and lack of performance...o No:
when they work proper there supposed to be easier in cold weather and things like that. i think if i was going this route id just find gm tbi set up though.
It would probably be easier to get working right too... But maybe Im just missing something about the CCC setupo No: The CCC on my '82 Regal was trash, so I spent a weekend getting rid of it. Should I have tried to save it?
Ken knows the CCC system well as he has been doing a lot of rebuilds and selling them to 80s GM car owners.... I think he just wants the system because he likes it.
im sure i could fix mine but im not putting money in my 307. it runs good until its cold or it bogs sometimes when you step on it.
I think the CCC is/was interesting. To me it seemed it was GM's last ditch effort to keep the carburator while starting to use an o2 sensor to sniff the exhaust and adjust the fuel mixture. The primary side mixture was controlled by the computer, the secondary side worked just like a regular Quadrajet (the mixture not controlled by the computer)
Back in the day after learning the system and doing some experimenting we were able to make them run good and they were not bad on mileage either for the day. I have spent a lot of time with them and had all the tools. I still have a 87 Cutlass with the 307 and it runs well. I have not touched it in years and as I get older hope I can remember all the tricks to keeping it going. I bet stuff maybe getting hard to get for them. You have to know the CCC and want to make it work as it is easier to trash it as so many did. But I have had to fix many cars where people tried to get around it and screwed the car up because they tried just plugging vacuum lines and unplugging wires. Jim N.
Sorry Ive not responded sooner...been busy building Qjets The answer to "why" is that I like it as a project - something different. I had all the parts and pieces too. As was said, not many people are doing this. Usually a 350 swap into a Gbody consists of a SBChevy 350 and a Holley or Eddie....ditch the computer I like the CCC system concept and am curious to see what combo of gas mileage and power I can tweak out of it. besides I am a Qjet guy and these are as advanced as the OEM qjets got.
Ok, something different always sounds cool..I too am very curious to how the gas mileage and performance is...Did you also use a knock sensor? With the performance chips, do you actually notice performance gains?
The chip was worth .6s and 4mph in the 1/4mile on the Olds 307 I ran previously. No knock sensor on this setup, though it would be a nice addition.
Vacuum hoses and all,that looks like a very clean engine transplant in the picture.It looks right at home.
Yeah, does seem to have a cool factor..I'll bet when its dialed in just right the gas mileage plays a even cooler factor
Its running really well off the computer right now. On the computer it has too much part throttle timing and backfires out the exhaust. I am thinking it is because the 350 lacks the EGR that the ECM is programmed for. working on solutions but for now driving it with the ECM unplugged.
