About late October back when I was still driving the Buick,I got in a Discussion with a typical rich kid douche bag. He began to tell me that all older cars should be scraped because the hole in the Ozone. we began to debate the subject. It might be important that he drives a 2000 Yukon. He started knocking the Buick a bit. I was very calm about it, afterall, The buick does need some work. Then he started ripping into my "gutless, gas-guzzling, out-dated motor" Which happens to be a very potent 430. Thats when i drew the line. I tore right into the little prick. He told me his yukon was better in every possible comparable way. He was very suprized to learn I got better mileage then him, I could seat more people then him, and not only did I have AC, but it blew colder than his. it really through him over the edge That I had less mileage than him too. I also spent almost nothing in repairs since febuary-besides oil changes. While he was in the shop about once a month. We never raced, but he went for a ride in the Buick, and admitted it was much faster than his Yukon. I paid $1500, he paid a sticker price of 15,999, or should I say he is paying, and will continue to pay 15,999 for the next 5 yrs...:laugh: :laugh: He kept saying "but I don't have to worry about it breaking down" I kept saying- it breaks down all the time. My car also stopped much better, and handledmuch better thanks to my power disc brakes. The ladies love it too!! :Brow: The poor kid never even drove a carbed car. I certainly taught him a lesson, and embarassed him a bit too. Gotta love the Buick.....:3gears:
No affense to the people who overly care about the environment, but that guy is a freak-a-zoid envirolmentalist nut.:rant: LOL, what a way with words anyway, I wouldn't be afraid to take on a stupid GMC YUCK-on with my car:TU: Stupid envirolmentalists and what they are missing out on!!!!!
Stupid? Maybe... Perhaps this person is more mis-informed that lacking in intelligence. Many of the people I hear talking like the guy in the story are simply parroting what they hear, or think they hear from people with some credibility. Many years ago at about age 5-6, my son piped up with this little tidbit: "Big trucks shouldn't be allowed Dad". "Why not?", "Because they put out a lot of air pollution". "Says who", "My teacher.", "Did your teacher tell you that without trucks there wouldn't be anything in the stores, that we would all have to live near a river or an ocean and that almost everything would cost more?" "Nope, she sure didn't". Go figure. :af: Here we are about 15 years later and he is into cars and hot rods. His weapon of choice right now is a Pontiac Sunbird V6-5 speed. His first taste of real power? 1970 GTO Judge with all of the factory Ram Air V stuff, built by Purely PMD in Arizona. What a car.
i hate when enviromentalists say that type of stuff its dumb tree huggin hippies at least that stupid law about scrappin old cars didnt pass or that craptacular bill about smogging the old cars too...thank god
read this and weap I read this on another website and wanted to share it. It's happenning in Ontario Canada, but still sucks::af: ON DECEMBER 20, 2002 OUR ONTARIO GOVERNMENT GAVE US ALL A " BLOODY NOSE " ... with the first reading of a new bill effecting each one of us! Yes!!!!!! We have just found out about this new proposed Province of Ontarios bill 241 would make it illegal to have any race related items on your street car. Your Holley or new Carter - Edelbrock carb. sorry... no way ! Tube or after market Headers forget then too ! Even chromed accessories may fall under this section! Those nice mellow mufflers......... they gotcha again ........ and Flowmaster .. you must be kidding! No lumpy cams, no Tunnel rams or Turbo's or Superchargers. And dont even ask what would happen if you dare to be caught with a can of octane boost in your gas tank. Yes!!!!!! the Ontario Government considers that if you have any of these items on your car, you are going to street race. It doesn t matter that street racing is already illegal. The mere fact that you possess these parts, you are guilty. It doesn t matter how you drive your car, your age, sex, nationality, or religious convictions. YOURE GUILTY ! And the great thing is. the attending officer gets to judge your punishment. Fines, impoundment, forced removal, and disposal are options available to him or her. Yes even imprisonment. You're not guilty of doing anything, you're only guilty of having the ability to do something. By Now it should be obvious that we all "should have " a big vested interest in this legislation. We are all enthusiasts and we want our car to look drive and feel the way way we want them to. Safety has always been in our sport and the more the better. And yes it has to conform to our laws. But if I feel that my car will start and run better with a particular brand of part .... then that should be may choice. Not be a legal issue. What if you have an older car that OEM parts are no longer available for? What if your truck needs a little more pulling power for getting the boat travel up the hills or out of the water? Now you guys know that I think every 55 Chevy should be tubbed, supercharged and dragging low and that every mini pickup should be lowered...." man the factory is even doing that ". And we are to the point now where Honda's look kind of "funny" when they are NOT lowered . I do agree that all those vehicles should be safe and should conform to the applicable laws, but last time I checked ..... It was your car....... not the governments and as much as I support the " Boy's in Blue ", I am not thrilled at the idea of him or her judging my choices! Yes......... Government should attempt to ban street racing. The recent movies have done none of us any good at all . Many of us have worked for years to convince the " General Public " that we are not Street Racers ......... We are Hot Rodders or Street Rodders and racing belongs on a tracks like St. Thomas or Grand Bend ....Street racing is not Drag Racing. :blast:
Whenever the ozone issue comes up I make sure the person talking about it knows that everything I own runs on leaded racing fuel whenever possible! :bglasses: Sometimes I even go into how the camshaft makes sure that some of the fuel comes out of the exhaust...RAW! :beer
Most SUVS do not even pass Government testing for emmisions. Everytime an auto manufacturer sells a SUV that doesn't pass, the Gov't fines them, which they pass directly to the consumer. Gotta love the free market system. AS for the ignorant people who think carbs are horrible, never run right and use horrible amounts of fuel. they need to satnd in a line :blast: :blast: These carb people remind me of a story. Early in the summer, I let a buddy drive th ebuick. his first time on a carbed car. He liked to poke fun of the "stone age technology" on the buick. Back then it had 4 wheel drums, points, and the 350-2. He thought the shoulder belts were flat out hysterical. He had a '93 Z, that his parents bought him for graduation. it was loaded with everything. Anyway, he wanted to drive the Buick. I thought no big deal, ok fine. I warn him about the woes of drum brakes, for safety's sake. Were sittin' in the car, and he goes to start it. he says- whats the trick? - What the hell are you talking about? I say. - you know, the trick to get the car running? - I told him there was no trick, just turn the key. He was amazed that he didn't have to pump the gas 4 times. I tried to explain to him how carbs work, and when pumping the gas is neccesary. he had no idea. "I turn the key, and the computer does the rest on my car." I wanted to slap the kid. Whats the trick?? I'll show you the trick :blast: I didn't let him drive it after that. jackass
what a moron whats the trick? please salp the guy silly if you see him and that law in ontario is ridiculous id break all of them and theyd call me a criminal come on you should be free to do whatever you want to your car it is your property isnt it? the govt sometimes i swear its really dumb some of the laws and bills that surface and see the light i hope it never happenes here in the us of a thatd be a shame...
It's always great to educate someone whose ignorance is only surpassed by their arrogance. I like the newer cars, but I consider my Vette a "throwaway" car, the Buick's a keeper! I'd be more upset about anything happening to the Buick, the Vette is replaceable. I haven't driven the Vette once since I picked up my 66 GS:grin: It's older and needs a little work but it's a helluva fun car!
Some funny facts about old cars- I have polled many people firsthand about how often they buy a new car, or trade in their older car for a new one. The average is, three years. So, logically, that means, that for everyone who buys a new car, every 33 years, 11 cars were made to satisfy the demand for a new car for that car owner. So, my car has been on the road for that long. I get worse gas mileage. I must be pretty bad for the environment, right? WRONG. Since 1971, the year after my model year, the demand per 'average' car buyer, for a new car is there. So every three years, a new car was made. The old car remained for let's say, 10 years. So, what's using more gasoline? My one car over 33 years, or all those cars made to staisfy the average consumer, and which lasted for ten years each? Not only that, but there were no fossil fuels used to replace my car- it stayed on the road, and a car buyer's need for a car was satisfied. No mining of ore, transportation, smelting, forging, casting, electricity for overhead at the factory, no gas used to let factory workers commute to work, no plastic manufacturing, no nothing, after my car was built. Every new car which could have replaced it would require these things. Think about the pollution for THAT series of events: making a car. It's been done once to make my car, and since it was never retired and destroyed, it stayed on the road and was not replaced. It could have been done an average of 11 times. Which uses more gas and makes more pollution? My one old car, or all those cars manufactured to satisfy the "average" new car buyer every three years, totaling 11 cars, plus all the fossil fuels used to manufacture, transport, and sell those 11 new cars? New cars need to have a set number of replacement parts made for them. Think of all the extra fossil fuels used to manufacture, warehouse, and sell those parts. My old car had those parts made once upon a time, but no more. (And the aftermarket is to small to compare to GM). Every 3 years, on average, a new car is sold to satisfy the needs of a new car buyer. Each of those cars needed spare parts made for their upkeep. So which uses more fossil fuels and makes more pollution? My one old car, which is kept in better running condition than a new car, which had spare parts made for it once upon a time but that event in time is over, and which only had to be manufactured once or Each of those 11 new cars that could have been made to replace it, on average, to satisfy the new car needs of the average buyer since it was made, which entails: manufacturing each of those cars (mining, transporting, manufacturing, transporting) and needs a parts inventory behind each of those cars (again, from mining the ore to making the part to warehousing and using fossil fuels like coal to make electricity for the warehouse) Notice I'm not even talking about gas mileage anymore. My old car does not use as much gas as 11 cars have in 33 years. Not even close. My car does not pollute as much as a car assembly plant in a year. Not even close. Nor does it pollute as much as those 11 cars did in 33 years. Not even close. Do not fall into the "old cars are gross polluters" trap. It is hogwash regurgitated by the gross polluters themselves, who are allowed to waste fuel and pollute in exchange for certain other business 'favors'. They have somehow brainwashed most of the public into beleiving this fallacy, when it's patently obvious to anyone who considers the facts, that it cannot be and is not true. Not only are old cars not gross polluters, but the number of old cars on the road today is such a tiny percentage that they are a non-factor in the problem of pollution. The number of newer cars, under 10 years old, which are in poor tune and pollute vastly outnumbers the number of old cars on the road, and makes more pollution than those old cars. Big business and politicians say lots of things that are lies. They target old cars and label them gross polluters because it's easy. I have to stop thinking about this absurd notion before I burst a blood vessel. Next up is which is cheaper: a new car or a used car. Yeah my old car uses a lot of gas. I paid for it already, and I pay 100 bucks a month in insurance. A new car has a payment every month and still breaks down! So a new car can cost 500 bucks a month for payments and insurance (don't even start me on excise fees and sales tax). I pay 100 bucks a month for insurance and no car payment. That's a 400 dollar difference. Per month. Let me tell you something: I do not use 400 dollars worth of gas in a month in my old car. Notice I haven't even made the new car in this example use gas and I'm assuming my car does. Before buying gasoline for the month, the new car owner is 400 bucks in the hole against me. Let's say he uses 100 dollars in gas and I use 200. Now he's still 200 bucks ahead of me in cost. That's 2400 dollars a year more than me. My car does not need 2400 dollars a year in repairs, but one new transmission for a newer car can easily cost 3 grand. Who is wasting money again? This whole thing boggles my mind. I'm not gonna start in on SUVs because I'm friendly with folks who have them but holy smokes I'm so ahead of some of them in terms of cost of ownership it is disgusting. Plus I've got a big block convertible, it's not like I have some generic jellybean car. :TU:
wow thats interseting... never thought about that but then again i never cared about gas i care about having a real car and not one of those ricer barges of crap....
I am not defending the Gross Polluter arguement, but I saw a slight weaknesses in your figuring. So it's small, but the stronger the arguement the better it is for us. They had to make our cars and the parts for them years ago when the factories polluted even worse than they do now. Even with that, I doubt it compares with even 3 new cars being built. BESIDES, our cars are driven less than just about all the other cars on the road. They have to be driven before they pollute the air.
Chris - I've been making that same arguement for years. There was even an official document produced over here by one of the Governmnet Think Tanks but they buried it because it didn;t fit policy. I like to breath clean air. I like the environment and don;t want the world to end in a cataclysm of polution and rising sea levels / ozone depletion / etc. But my Buick doesn't make squat difference to that. Add up all the old cars in the country and there is more polution by gas fired central heating. But its not policitcally OK to attack that... Theres plenty of areas to clean up before having to look at cars again. We've done that. There's more air polution in the state of California caused by barbeques than by cars. (Source "Friends of The Earth") I have a lot of very environmentally friendly (and actual proper thought out, green approved, eco friendly) things in my life. I make an effort. I recycle, I re-use, I restrict consumption, I don't use a Dishwasher, etc. yet the know-nothing idiots just rag on my becuase I have an old American car. I probably polute less than any house on my neighbourhood, and I drive 4 V8 powered cars. It annoys me - people just learn what ever polictical drum is being bashed and don;t think for themselves.
