but how much hp do you expect to get out of this 10 maybe 5 bet you gain nothing and have a new leak.
Idk. I'd take 1-2. 5 would be a bonanza. It all adds up. That's how the NHRA guys are running mid 11's. Would be fun to have a dyno to play w/this type stuff in a controlled manner. I could be wrong, but I just don't see the sealing as a major issue.
What you plan on racing the car every weekend or what? plan on a low 11 sec car for a street car? running in the 12's or so if your lucky, it will not mean anything and it will leak I know how those things go been thru it. First you need 2 gaskets or you need to use rtv, Yeah it will seal up with some Indianhead, never get it off again. now the one Sean has on there in that pic yeah that bolts inside the engine that will work the other one should have a O ring like the gaskets did for valve covers on a Ford 347. Then it might seal but trying to get 2 flat pieces of metal to seal to the Bottom of an engine is going to be a challenge. might be wrong but I wouldn't attempt this top shave even a partial tenth off it is not just worth the leak potential. I have said enough on this you guys know more than me I guess.
I did say "I could be wrong" with respect to to the sealing. I haven't built an engine in a long time & I'm just in the planning stages now but the 350 pan flange design is about as simple as it gets. What Sean shows isn't a scraper & serves a different purpose wrt oil control, but you know all that. What difference does it make whether or not I plan plan on racing it every weekend? I might - I used to run a 350 every weekend & probably before anyone on here did and tbh, almost 35 years later and I don't see anyone running much better than I used to all things considered. In this case I want to see what a stock appearing yet streetable 350 is capable of. I'll be pretty happy w/mid-high 12's & I might not get there but to have any chance of it IMHO is going to take a lot of little things and good oil control is one of them. Idk why you're getting so upset by this. I simply posted a performance oriented 350 part that most probably didn't know was available. Nobody is making you run one and if it leaks, it leaks. Bfd. The only way to go faster is to experiment. Even if doesn't add any HP and helps keep oil from becoming aerated and helps keep it where it belongs, it's a win. Little wonder why ppl don't want to be on here, especially wrt 350's. There are so few of us yet the threads are almost all so damn nasty. I'm still quite a ways off from even having a car ready let alone an engine so I'll just go back to keeping to myself, taking notes, & watching you 350 guys all beat up on each other lest I be accused of being a "keyboard racer."
I agree it’s not about HP gains, it’s about oil control. I will look at doing a scraper on mine, likely made of Teflon that I can custom fit off of tabs welded onto the girdle. I wouldn’t be concerned about sealing up the above scraper, it would be easy. There are a few options, not an issue in my mind.
Oil control is free HP. Not that you’d feel the gains of 1 or 2 HP on the street, but on a competition engine you’d see it in the amount of wins. My machinist mentioned in some of our many long conversations asked me to guess what the max oil pressure is in a pro stock motor. I guessed 90 not even close, 34 he said. The oil passages are so large there’s no pressure but lots of volume the lower pressure keeps the oil from blowing out of all the bearings reducing windage. He also mentioned that when he worked for Cagnazzi Racing they’d easily spend $10K in R&D to gain 1 HP.
Dano, I am not mad at you and I can see this keyboard can give the wrong impression of a person. If I was talking to you on the phone I would tell you it is a waste of time and you would tell me that you want to try it and I would say OK but if you come to my house and that thing leaks oil all over my nice driveway I Will be pissed. I would not be like this but I have a buddy that is very much this and much more. I don't see him that much he is a Chebby guy and you know how they are. You should see what he says about me brothers Ford, and it will clean up a Hellcat. So don't take what I said personally I am just feeding my bull like I always do Take me with a grain of salt. I think you should put your time into that big cam you are going to put in there right? How about some 410"s or so and a 200 trans. You want to get to 11's you going to at least need that and you know it. When Sonny was doing 11's in the early 90's that car did not have a street car sound what so ever it sounded real nasty and that was the reason I wanted to build a 350 in the first place. That car was 3500+ just like the rest of us but it had gearing and a real nasty engine. Now that is the motor you are going to need the scraper spinning to 7 g ++ more like 8. Then you are beneficial. Chill out. G. out
That’s fine, I would encourage him to get his done before mine. It doesn’t bother me in the least of someone gets theirs done before me. Or if it goes faster or makes more power. Your frustration shows in most of your posts, I feel a bit bad for you.
I see Grumpys back in grumpy usual demeanor....... Still waiting for your recent video of your car taking a lick...... I posted mine(a couple weeks ago), where's yours?????
I like the windage tray above your cam. I've been thinking along the same lines wrt oil pressure. Too high is just wasted HP. I really want a dyno to play w/all this but @ $50k to buy/set up, It'd have to be a business renting time on it & not sure if that's a viable business model.
I was having a s*** day. It's all good. My goal on this one is actually high 12's on a nearly 100% stock appearing engine/car ('70 GS 350 4-sp). Concours on Friday & racing on Saturday. I think it's doable. Initially will be the original engine in m/l stock form then the stock appearing engine & either re-geared M-21 or M23Z). Factory very low option/SCO 3.64 car & I want to see what it would've run new (thinking 14.75 +/-). We'll see on both accounts/engines. Gotta get the car done 1st although I'm itching to build the stock appearing engine. Might have do that & put it a Skylark w/a 200-4R & 4.56's to get it dialed in. I'll need the trans for my '71 GS.
Nope not there....... I feel sorry for ya Guy. You call people out, you criticize people, you talk about keyboard racers and yet you respond like this. The best part is I posted a video for you, yet no response...... Then you start posting 4 year old threads. Like I said earlier, I feel sorry for ya. Good luck with the cam swap, I wish you well.
keep looking out your window I am way out there. don't like my criticism too bad. I don't need to post anything people know I was at Quaker last year I don't have to prove anything but you two well, you can't do anything. but cry Now back to our regularly scheduled program. Hey Dano I would put a 4 speed stick in there like you wanted to do and stick in the equiv to the 510 cam with a 410 gear. you could launch from 3500 or so and I think it would just rip down the track. No one hardly does a 4 speed stick so I think you are the guy to get this done, You were at the the Buick nats there had to be some 350's with 4 speeds in there. I wonder why the turbo 6's run 10's and the V8's can't get below 12's seems weird don't it since the v8 has two more cylinders. You saw the 6's at the track how did they run down there probably nothing over 11's I would bet. Maybe there is not a real tuner out there. Oh well that is neither here not there anyways you still got your eye on putting in that crank scraper I know you can get to seal eventually then you can come over and park your car in my driveway lol. Fox's Den likes this
