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1968 Riviera 430

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by BigBlockRiv, Nov 26, 2019.

  1. BigBlockRiv

    BigBlockRiv Member

    Will the motor continue to rotate if the timing gear gives way or will it lock up due to making contact with a valve? Assuming on the older high compression motors that it will stop spinning but not sure. I believe my stock gear may have finally given out but was looking for some high level info before I start troubleshooting. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    It'll keep spinning long enough to do some damage. Don't expect an OHV engine to be a non-interference design.
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I don't think it will lock up but it might bend valves or damage pistons.
     
  4. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    You will bend your valves before it stops spinning. Easy 30 second diag: Pull your distributor cap and see if the rotor is spinning while cranking. If not, your timing chain is most likely broken (couple other things like distributor gear being sheared off can also cause this, but a quick one to get you going in the right direction.)
     
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  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Breaking a chain, that has to be pretty rare. It's more likely that the nylon teeth break off the stock cam gear and the chain slips a tooth or so.
     
  6. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Ahh, I forgot about the nylon teeth on these engines (never built one :D). Have seen broken chains though.
     
  7. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    I have a picture of about 15 of my nylon teeth wedged into the crevasse above the cam tunnel and that many easily in the oil pan. When they go, they go:)
     
  8. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Oh, yeah buddy, I've been around nylon gears in engines and the effects of the teeth coming off before. Just forgot the BBB had them, too.
     
  9. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Eh the checking the distributor like that isn't very sound. Everyone I've seen the chain jumps but still spins the cam. You can put a timing light on it and check it while it's cranking..
     
  10. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    That's why I said it'd show a broken chain or a sheared distributor gear.......
     
  11. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    I don't think there has ever been such a case with a BBB..
     
  12. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    As I said, I've never built one. But I've been around thousands and thousands of other engines (There's 5 torn apart in the shop right now), and I have seen it happen a few times. Sorry I was trying to help the OP out with a nice, easy suggestion for him to check. I'll try better next time.
     
  13. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Geez you've got a delicate ego.. I never said you were wrong or dumb for suggesting anything chuck.....
     
  14. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    :D
     
  15. Briz

    Briz Founders Club Member

    430 is a non interference engine. Unless a keeper lets go and drops a valve they will not contact the piston on a stock engine. Use a bore scope down the dist hole or into the fuel pump opening and check the chain. If its never been changed 99% chance thats the issue.
     
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  16. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Thanks for that. Not what I expected.
     
  17. BigBlockRiv

    BigBlockRiv Member

    Thanks for the replies. This is a project that will not see any progress at least until next spring. In the event there is major damage, and to keep things simple, has anyone had experience with the crate engines that CME or Precision Engine offer? Or are there others that offer a 430 or 455 that are recommended?
     
  18. Briz

    Briz Founders Club Member

    Just rebuild your own. Even if you have a shop do the work you'll be in under 5K as long as ya dont go crazy with up grades
     
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