Mike commented on some of the things I said in the race section, JW edited my response and deleted almost every thing I wrote to hide the truth. Pass along this message please to all. My response is below the paragraphs I'm responding to and I've spaced it like a back and forth convo so i hope it's easy to read. THANKS! Jordon, Jordon, Jordon my name is clearly spelled in my sig, it's Jordan. I can see why your father and Uncle Ken feel the way they do about you. You must smoke a lot of rope. I have been called by someone and told I should read this thread almost every time you post. I have started to respond a few times in the past but chose to go back to work. you do not know my father and ken is the only person in my family you talk to, I said anything about your family or you personally but if you would like to go that way that's fine. What is rope? What is rope?? Are you talking about marijuana or weed? Is this something new I don't know about? For the record I don't smoke anything or do any illicit drugs. I am however on the maximum dosage of medication for PTSD the effectiveness of which is being tested.... I think it's funny your saying someone called you when Rod in his first response said you called him and you called Ken the other day "steaming mad" and who knows who else you called in to respond. Your wrong about your Uncle Ken loading the cylinder head tooling, Forest Thornburg did. I didn't know your Uncle then. i never said Ken, I said my uncle. His name is Keith, you'll remember he did the trans in the TA wagon and you wiped the pump out 3x and blames the trans for taking out the thrust on the crankshaft. Of course he finds out later you weren't using block dowels for the trans and you shot peened the crank and that was the cause of your problems. Then you never offered to pay for the work or even apologize. Your wrong about the water jacket cylinder head tooling, that was the one piece I DID get in regards to core boxes. Your wrong about me purchasing all Kenne-Bells stuff including the Stage 2 cylinder tooling. My son and I went over just a few years ago and purchased the Number 1 V6 intake manifold tooling, only. Jim Bell gave us a bunch of stuff to make room in his shop with that purchase. Did I mention, this happened just a few years ago! you just said Forrest, who worked at kenne bell helped you load the head tooling and then you say you didn't buy them from kenne bell, are you confused? I'm talking about the 455 stuff... I talked to Jim bell and he said you came by and purchased all his old Buick stuff and when I mentioned you almost doubling your advertised price on some KB valve covers you were selling he laughed and said "what does he think? They have some kinda Buick nostalgia?!" And laughed some more.... Below, your quotes are in italics Over sea parts. I am very much a American and try to use American suppliers, always. Oil pans, dip sticks are the only parts I have "personally" contracted out of this country to have made. Oil pan tooling would be more than the cost of two cylinder block tools to have made in this country, that is the reason they are made over seas. And not without pain may I add. I'm sure there are many other parts that we purchase from American suppliers that are made out of this country, no doubt. You put personally in quotes. Are saying you have stuff made overseas you just contract through a middle man? I said your block and heads were made overseas and the fact that you didn't address that specifically I'm sure isn't an accidental oversight. "Dorman valves" Did not know they made valves. I contract an American company to make our valves. 21-4N solution heat treated one piece stainless valves. Call Trip Manley and ask him if that would be a good combination for a performance valve. I do this because I can not buy a valve for a Buick that they can machine the valve keeper groove correctly. Ive had valves customers brought to me purchased from you and I ran the part numbers, came back dorman... Every thought of selling square groove locks and 11/32 valves? Not exactly high tech stuff, good quality at a cheap price because they're everywhere. It's not a "Chevy" valve or lock it's just 11/32 and square groove. Oh and doorman is the only company selling the huge stock style Buick locks too.... Our cylinder heads, yes we cut the deck's with a 4" shell mill back and forth. Why should I re-cut the deck on a set of head castings that need a valve job and what ever other work may be done. Any cylinder head man that is good will resurface the head just before assembly. For your information I leave at least .010" on the deck for you to do just that. If we do the heads for the customer they are always surfaced when they leave here. Why should you recut the deck with the proper surface job? I dunno why don't you ask every single cylinder head manufacturer (including Chinese pro comp stuff) why they surface theirs... "Page out of business ethics" Yes, Jim had his ways but TA is nothing like those days. We don't charge until a part ships unless it is a special order. That was a major problem as you know. The cam timing gear fitment. Jordon there are two cam core manufactures in the country, I have no control on those parts, I can only hope to manage it when it pokes its head up. There was not a whole run of cores made that way. I have only seen two cores like this, and I assure you it did not go down like you put in print here. I've had customers order heads to be shipped to me and their card was charged immediately. Supposed to get to me on a Thursday, customer called a week later and I told him I hadn't got them yet so he called you and was told he would have to wait for the next run to come in. Got heads 3 weeks after I was supposed to. At least when Jim bell charged $1000s and didn't ship any parts he would send you a t shirt and some stickers. If there was a known problem with some cam cores why wouldn't you check them and make sure you didn't still have some on the shelf that might get sent to customers? "Oh yea we knew about this problem we got a whole run of them that way" and you sold them anyway? " yup, just buy another cam and pay shipping and ship your bad one back and I'll refund just the cam cost" Doubtful this is what was actually said. If someone was getting information like your claiming then that person should ask for me. I have always made myself available to ALL my customers. I will take the call even if I know doing so I'm stepping into a burning room. Doubt it was said but don't deny it either? Guess I'll call that an admission on the making a customer pay shipping both ways to send back your bad parts. "I don't know Dick Maskins or John Callie's" Well, I also do not know Dick, but I do know John and work with him often. I have tried and tried discussing this problem with John to better the roller lifter problem on the Nailhead. They blame the Buick block. You talk but you have No idea of what I do and go through to make products that fit and work. This issue has not present a major problem in the operation of the roller cam in the Nailhead, but I don't like it either. The Nailhead blocks are not all the same. It depends on how they first located on the machining fixture. No real way to know until the cam and lifters are installed. Most all have no problem but we have seen a very few. When we now grind a cam we make adjustments at that time grinding it to help this problem. This has solved it, but I'm sure there will be exceptions. Jordon, No one was told they did not know what they were doing. I don't know why I should be held responsible for engine blocks that are 50-60 years old. If someone has one that is not the same as others why should I be held responsible to pay to fit a part for an exceptional counter part. Why isn't this a problem on the flat tappet cams? Both have a lobe to ride on and an oil band... Why didn't you tell the guy he was going to pay for the regrind or a non $170 solution suggested?? You said it was an issue then you say it's not a problem but then you say you fixed it? Lol... "Like the guy who buys a block and isn't told they changed the lifter angle and spends $1200 on a cam he can't use now. Don't worry I'll sell you another billet core.... Yeaaaa quality product and great customer service...." Not sure who your talking about but I have an idea. People need to learn to listen. The raised cam blocks have a different lifter bore angle. Most people don't even know what that is. In one ear out the other. I have told the folks that purchased these blocks that the lifter angle is different than STD Buick or TA block. STD Buick 455 lifter angle's are 44', our raised cam block is 48'. This was done to get a better lifter/pushrod to rocker angle. You need to tell the cam grinder that if your not going through us. Kens raised cam block has a Buick lifter angle, at least that's what you told him. The lifter change isn't in any of your literature, on your website or in any paperwork that comes with the block. For such a big change you would think it would be readily available information in PRINT "They can't even get 3 dyno pulls out of a 350 without knocking the rod bearings out of the thing, a guy on here posted about buying a whole engine built by em and less than a week later it leaks water between the block and head, the solution? 2 bottles of alumaseal....." I have no idea of who you are referencing here or what 350 engine we may have built. But one thing is for-sure, that I would never have recommended Alumaseal. Never used it. I would have recommended GM or Bars stop leak to someone with a water leak. Here is the 350 link, last 2 pages. http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.p...ke-OR-ALuminum-Heads(this-is-for-real)/page17 the fact that your response to the guys new 14k engine you built leaking is "that's not the brand of stop leak I use" instead of I would never do such an atrocious thing speaks volumes. "I've never heard of someone doing this kinda stuff (and this is just what I hear about I'm sure there's more) and not only getting away with it getting defended and having people up in arms about it. What's next? The problem I see you have here is, Quote, "This is just what I hear about". You assume way to much from what you hear, then you publicly speak about it. That's why you have these folks going on the defense towards you, up in arms as you say. It's hard for me to understand how a person that seems to have so much knowledge can't understand why people are responding the way they are based on the things you are saying. Read your posts and make believe your not the one who wrote it. Maybe then you'll understand. " Is he gonna kill one of you and advertise body parts for sale in his catalogue? I'm sure someone will buy an arm that wasn't properly dismembered and still not say anything". What the hell is this! You are smoking way to much rope. Its sarcasm.... Google it later.... Jordon, from reading all your posts it is very obvious that you do not know me.[/QUOTE] yep, you don't know me and I don't know you so the "this is a personal issue" theroies can be put to rest. This is about quaintly, price gouging and covering up the truth like how you paid JW the owner of v8buick to delete and edit this response I wrote so people wouldn't see the truth. The 1st amendment is still in effect and the truth will be known!!!
