Turbo 400 HD Direct Clutch pack Clearance

Discussion in 'The "Juice Box"' started by ronbz455, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    This trans is an old manual valve body build and I'm replacing the direct drum, sprag and clutches. How much clearance should I have between the clutch pack? It's tighter now than with the old pack. Stock HD raybestos 5 frictions and steels.
     
  2. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Preferred spec is .045- use valve spring shims (a .030 and a .015) in four spots around the assembled pack, between the upper friction and the pressure plate and then attempt to put the snap ring in.

    I assume this is not a transbrake transmission.

    JW
     
  3. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    Not this one, just manual valve body. It has 2 short white springs and to slightly shorter black springs. I'm getting in the .030's with a dial indicator and shooting air to the hub. you can spin the clutches freely by hand released. I think I will try it.
    What is the best method of burn offs to keep sprag from breaking, 1 2 3 or burn in 3 only?
     
  4. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Burnouts start in second, finish in high. Roll out of the throttle to keep from breaking the converter sprag as the car comes out of the water.

    1-2 shift is what breaks the sprag.

    I would not trust air pressure/and a dial indicator for determining clutch clearance.

    .030 is pretty tight. You could be ok but I would worry about centrifugal apply with that tight a clearance, when the trans is hot.

    Keep in mind all the components will grow at operating temperature.

    JW
     
  5. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    1-2 shift is a no-no with a TH400 during burn-out like Jim said. If you have a heavy car making 800+, you may want to skip the HD 34 element sprag and go to the 36-element super sprag and drum from Coan. We've rolled a few 34's in 2 different cars - they just don't hold up. Coan makes some nice stuff. I think the 36-element sprag comes from a Caddy Northstar FWD application.
     
  6. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    I'm going to try that 2-3 and just 3 this time. I went back in it to fix a pump bolt hole so I changed the 1st plate to a thinner one and put 4 of the old frictions and one new and have around .045-.050 but I tried to get an angle feuler in there and it is hard to clear the spring retainer. Do they make different gauges to check that clearance on the Direct clutches?
     

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  7. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    What if I start my burn in second until smoke then shift to third and burn out of it?
     
  8. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

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