timing gear

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by pete g, Apr 6, 2020.

  1. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    hi, i'am changing the timing chain on a 1970 buick skylark. when the two timing marks on the sprockets are lined up, does that put the #1 cylinder on tdc? do you use gasket sealer on cork gaskets? thanks.
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, TDC, but it may not be TDC compression. When you drop the distributor in, verify you are on the compression stroke by bumping the engine over until you get compression in the #1 spark plug hole.

    I like to use Edelbrock Gasgacinch on cork gaskets.

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...MIy4CijajU6AIVw5-zCh2JmgIlEAQYASABEgIP8_D_BwE
     
  3. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    As you line up timing marks, lower points up upper points down. You really should be on compression then. Fill oil pump while timing cover is off, save you from issue of not priming later.
     
  4. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    hi larry, so, it could be either. I've watched some videoes on changing the tc and they say the first you do is rotate the old timing chain so that both marks line up.then install the new one.they don't say anything about where the #1 piston should be? I assumed it was on tdc on the compression stroke. is there anything I should look out for, doing this job?
     
  5. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    hi alec, so then the #1 cyl is at tdc? with the timing cover off, how do I fill the oil pump?
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The #1 cylinder is at TDC twice, once on compression, once on exhaust. Been awhile since I did a timing chain. Just check before you put the distributor in.

    Just squirt some oil into the pump from the back side of the timing cover.
     
  7. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    thanks, I have another question. how do you get the timing cover oil seal out?
     
  8. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    From the backside. Should be rope. Grab it with needle nose pliers . It should pull out. The tap out metal retainer if your going with a neoprene/rubber seal
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  10. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    actually I have the manual. nowhere in the manual does it tell how to remove seal! the seal is rubber with a steel band around it. its pressed in from the back of the cover. you can't bang it out because the front lip on the cover is blocking all access to the seal.
     
  11. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Somebody replaced it then. The stock seal is a rope seal. You'll need to pry it out from the back. Can you collapse it with a small screwdriver and mallet?

    Page 60-69 of the 70 manual, paragraph C tells you how to remove the stock seal. Won't do you any good though.
     
  12. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    yes, I think your right. it was changed. i'am afraid I'm going to scrape up the seal seat if I start prying on it. geez, didn't need this. yes, I see it now. 60-69 for rope seal.
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2020
  13. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    If. It wasn’t leaking , maybe just leave it be.
     
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  14. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    your right. it wasn't leaking. but, being the jerk I am I f up the timing cover. so, I guess a new one is in order. dam! hey guys, thanks for your help.
     
  15. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Those seals can be used a long time if it visually isn't cracked or damaged.
     
  16. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    yes, I should have left in. live and learn, but i'am so pissed.
     
  17. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    if the timing gears are o.k., should I bother changing them?
     
  18. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    How's the chain? Your there, might as well change it.
     
  19. pete g

    pete g Active Member

    the chain is stretched, I will change it. new timing cover on order. would you change the gears?
     
  20. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    Stock engine and steel gears? Just a chain. Your not having much luck so go with the theory if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
     

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