TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems loose

Discussion in 'The "Juice Box"' started by cstanley-gs, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. cstanley-gs

    cstanley-gs Silver Mist

    Trans was leaking bad from the pan gasket (at least I hope thats where :laugh: )

    I took the pan off today and it had a cork gasket on it
    Some of the bolts look to have been over tightened and the pan is not the straightest on the flange, and what the hell happened for all these dents!!

    The price of a new pan is not that much money and I can wait for to be delivered etc but all I can find are chrome ones.. no OEM

    1 - would you get a new one?

    Also, there was film of 'gray' substance, I assume fine metal on the bottom of the pan that wiped out easily, was no thickness to it, just a film, previous owner said it was rebuilt,
    2 - maybe this is normal for a newly rebuilt. Trans runs nice.

    Finally, the old filter was loose.
    3 - The bolt holding it was tight but maybe its too long or needs a washer? your thoughts before I put on the new filter?

    4 - filter kit from autozone has a rubber gasket to go over the tube on the trans, and also has a loose o-ring, I dont know where this goes or is it extra?

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  2. SteeveeDee

    SteeveeDee Orange Acres

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Sounds like a little clutch material in the pan. Normal, depending on how long it's been.

    The filter doesn't really get tight from the bolt. The clip just keeps it from falling off the o-ring, so you're good there.

    And, no, I've never seen a pan with that many knuckle-bumps on it!
     
  3. bammax

    bammax Well-Known Member

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Seen pans like that before. Lowered car on badly paved roads, or 4x4 on gravel roads. I hit a speedbump at a good speed once and hit the skidplate hard enough to wonder if the engine cradle cracked. I'm sure it left a few little dimples in the oil or trans pan. That was on an '84 lesabre with very worn out suspension
     
  4. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    The only OEM pan available is a deep pan from GM, but I wouldnt recommend it as it will sit lower inthe chassis.

    I was in the same perdicament with my 69 Riviera. Needed a new pan but none to be found. What I bought was a stock depth polished aluminum pan with a nice thick mounting surface. So no chance of the flange warping. Plus it had a built in drain plug which makes future filter changes easier (unless you enjoy showering in Dextron). I think it was like $40 or so. I really dont like the "bling", but it works well.

    I use one of the plastic lids off my garbage can for a catch basin. I drill several holes in it, flip it upside down and place it on my drain pan. Works like a charm.
     
  5. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Looks like they tried to jack up the whole car with the pan. As was mentioned, the filter bolt is a limiter, not a solid anchor for the filter. I suspect it is only really required for installation as the filter rests on those two dimples (the factory ones) in the pan.

    You might try a transmission shop to see if they have a good core you can buy cheap.
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Yes, some material in the pan is normal, no worries there.

    The filter bolt is a special collared bolt. It lets the filter move with the fluid level. That is the way it is supposed to be.

    The dents look like the transmission was left laying on the pan, and maybe was moved around and/or dropped. I'd replace it. I use the deep pan from GM. Holds another 2qts of fluid, keeps things cooler. I like it. I don't worry about the clearance, my MT headers hang lower than that, and I'm careful. NY roads suck, but not that bad.

    The GM part numbers for the deep pan are:

    Pan...............................8679994
    Extended P/U tube.........8629526
    Extended filter bolt.........8633208
    Spacer for filter bolt........8629523
     
  7. Jeff T

    Jeff T Just a 350... A Buick 350

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    If your not sure if "just" the pan was leaking replace the o-ring on the accumulator cover. My pan leaked for years, or so I thought...:error:
     
  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    I know what you are talking about Jeff, that happened to my first car, a 72 Skylark 350, but I think that is just a TH350 thing. This is a THM400.
     
  9. BRUCE ROE

    BRUCE ROE Well-Known Member

    TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Hey I have had pans worse. I just hammer them out, get the
    dimples right, and the seal must be flat. But mine all have a
    drain plug brazed & tapped. There is a stack of them on my
    shelf, hammered, drained, blasted & painted, for switch pitch
    conversions.

    If you had a cast aluminum pan it would hang lower, and most
    important a big bump will crack it, you are out of business.
    Blue gasket probably will leak less, but make maintenance
    pretty difficult. Bruce Roe
     

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  10. cpk 71

    cpk 71 im just a number

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Ibought the aluminum finned deep pan from summit,it's a 350 but the pan is nice,thick flanges,drain plug , no leaks is the best:TU:
     
  11. cstanley-gs

    cstanley-gs Silver Mist

  12. cstanley-gs

    cstanley-gs Silver Mist

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    so where's the accumulator cover? Ill check it


    edit: never mind I think I know what it is
     
  13. cpk 71

    cpk 71 im just a number

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    That flange looks pretty thin, mine is at least a quarter inch thick the thicker the better.
     
  14. cpk 71

    cpk 71 im just a number

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Check out summit #sme-1001R.
     
  15. cstanley-gs

    cstanley-gs Silver Mist

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    thank you guys!

    Summit has a stock depth one just like that for $59, sounds like the most enticing so far.

    And as for the o-ring that comes with the kit? a little less than 1" diameter..I don't know what it goes or even if I need it.

    The filter has a rubber gasket that pushes over the pick up tube, and I didn't see an o-ring on the old filter anywhere
     
  16. gsgns4me

    gsgns4me Well-Known Member

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    The o-ring is on the other end of the pick up tube, up inside the case.
     
  17. cstanley-gs

    cstanley-gs Silver Mist

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    ah! Ill have to look for that!
    Probably not necessary to be replaced.. but I might as well
    :beer
     
  18. Jeff T

    Jeff T Just a 350... A Buick 350

    Re: TH400 pan.. is this still usable? how does one get this dented? filter seems lo

    Thanks Larry, I've never had a TH400 so I wasn't sure. Just wanted to toss something out there that drove me crazy for a long time!!
     

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