Man!!!!!!!!! I am really getting sick and tired of seeing all the Foreign cars on the road. No wonder our big companies are going under :spank: Stop the madness - I can't take it anymore :blast: :blast: :blast: BUY AMERICAN happy thanksgiving :gp:
well if they built something worth a damn...or priced it right...or didnt overpay all their people..or even have to pay for retired gm guys, then the domestic auto industry wouldnt be in this situation i'm sure they'll all go down...but if they do i hope it doesnt have an effect on getting parts for the 60s-70s cars i have no intentions in ever buying a new car...i'll allways have my 72 or some other musclecar..and my truck will be my toyota...which my be getting a domestic driveline soon enough!
What would happen to the US employees building these foreign cars then? It's too bad the upper management people screw us and the union people get the blame for wanting wages to live on. I think GM,Ford and Chrysler deserve everything they get.. Who's gonna bail me out of my situation if I get in to far...Bet it isn't the Government..
I think the cars are better than you saying. We have a 2006 V8 Buick and it is a GREAT CAR We need to bail them out instead of our government.
The reality is that most of GM cars are made in other countries like Canada and Mexico. Most foreign cars are made here in America! So should we buy American brand cars made in foreign countries or foreign cars made here in America! So I believe we should buy foreign cars made here in the US with US workers that American brand cars made in foreign countries without US workers. Becide my GS I also have an America brand muscle car that is made in a foreign oversea country!!! My 2004 Pontiac GTO W40 with a 6 speed!
Are you referring to a Lucerne CXS? If so, how has ir performed? This is one of GM's affordable bright spots. They are really good cars, very high feature content, but they do drop in value moderately. If you can find one about 3 years old ... at about half of the original price, I'd put it up against many higher-end foreign autos. Ken
GM has been building good cars for a while now. People who say other wise are either ignorant, misinformed, such as believeing what they read in consumer mags or some of the car mags, or are using a phony excuse for buying there foriegn unAmerican junk. Bob H.
I don't think any kind of bailout should be direct to the big 3. Let them suffer, go bankrupt, re-organize and start again. Auto Union employees have gained so much in the way of a high dollar/hr pay rate and a pension after they leave that its killing the company. I'm not against unions and have been a member of a couple, but it seems the auto unions have gotten too big/powerful. So if the big 3 could reorganize, start at a little lower pay rate, negotiate different pension options they might have chance. they should also have no bonuses for CEOs or their directives and remove as many levels of mgmt as they can. What id like to see happen, is for a "bailout" is instead of giving it to the automakers, is give it in the form of tax rebates for the American people. In other words... Buy a new car in 2009 and get a $5000 tax rebate on your 09 taxes. So something like that. That would help reduce inventory on the huge dealer lots and get cash flowing through the big 3 companies...it would also help keep the millions of jobs And just the other day I saw Obama talking about a stimulus package... I assume like the checks we all (most all) got from George W...... I think instead of checks they need to give out debit cards that expire... Because when George W gave me mine... I put it in savings... I didn't spend it so technically I didn't "stimulate" anything. But if I knew the money would expire in 6 months... I guess I would have a new TV or some other gadget. That would have put the money directly into the economy. Edit... BTW... besides my Buick I have 2 domestic vehicles.... both Ford Explorers. I liked my 96 so much, I bought an 04 and love just as much.
It's a Lucerne CXL. It was my wifes uncles car. He passed away in April. He worked for GM for 40 years and got many GM company cars over the years. He told me that this was the best car that he EVER had. My wifes uncle would always be taking all his cars back to the dealer complaining about this and that. With this car he NEVER had a problem.
I don't think it is. Most people might think that, I would rather walk or ride a bike than own a foreign car
Building quality is one - albeit important - part of the modern car building requirements in a global environment. You have to also build cars people want ... as in desire to own and drive. Many foreign car makers have pulled the old GM strategy from the 50's, 60's & part of the '70's ... style. It costs the same to bend sheet metal into a pleasing design as an ugly design. GM's single largest problem right now - after liquidity - is the same problem it has had for 30 years now. It is too top heavy and cannot adequately differentiate its products from others because it cannot differentiate its own divisions properly. Domestic and foreign car makers have pretty much proven that a two-tiered corporate marketing/product strategy - basic/economy & luxury - is the correct strategy to satisfy the market and effectively compete against other car makers in the market, i.e., Honda/Acura, Toyota/Lexus, Ford/LincolnMercury. Chrysler/Dodge and on and on. GM competes against itself internally - the design, manufacture, dealers and marketing - before it can even compete against other car makers. I heard a report just today that GM is seriously considering selling Pontiac, Saturn & Saab in the near future. GM is in the best position of the big 3 considering the products in the pipeline (next few years). If you doubt this, Google the Chevrolet VOLT concept car and realize that GM will probably be able to leapfrog Toyota in 2 years of production and revolutionize the future global architecture of automobiles. Can you believe GM killed the Impact plug-in electric vehicle (CEO Rick Wagoner admitted recently that it was probably the worst decision the company ever made) 5 or more years before the Prius AND then went on to build the Aztek ... and Rendevous ... and the Chevrolet "Classic" (rebadged Malibu in order to keep auto workers busy (paying workers to actually work instead of not working) making cars for the rental fleets. The list goes on. This segways into so many different directions, but the American auto industry IS indeed too big to fail as it employs too many people, too much competitive and high technology and too many communities. That said, there will have to be accountability, restructuring and guarantees to the public/government. We sentimentalists must realize that the future WILL NOT look like the automobile divisions of the past. Chevy will survive, Cadillac will survive and probably one middle territory brand that can blend and bend both up & down the hierarchy ... Buick will probably be the other division that survives because of the phenomenal market reputation and share Buick is achieving in China and other Asian markets.
You must not have any clue to what the companies build! Everyone that owns a new GM that I have dealt with loves it! IMO, old toyotas are worth a damn! Unless all you do is haul a bicycle every once in a while:bla: From my experience, 80s and early 90s GM cars have been the most fun cars BY FAR to pile a bunch of people in and have a good time! Oh good times, good times:beers2:
Ive done my bit! Ive bought a BUICK & a FORD and these are foreign to me.:moonu: . The thing is though, foreign car manufactures pay my bills as I work for PEUGOET, RENAULT, SKODA, KIA & FIAT.
If I could buy American I would. The Mustang I bought in 05 had.. Engine from Germany Tranny from France Who knows how many parts from Mexico and China. That is not an American made car to me. And most others are built the same. Sorry but there is no true American cars anymore.
You really want my wife(Kia Dealership) to lose her job? How bout the 3-4000 that will be working at the Kia factory being built here in Ga. How bout all the construction workers building it?
