Spark plugs

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Frankie70GS, Mar 28, 2023.

  1. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    So I bought this street race type car with the intention of making it more streetable. The car is beautiful.
    The guy passed but I was able to locate his cousin who gave me some info. Turns out the guy built the engine himself. 455 30 over 308S cam. Stage 2 SE heads . It was set up with Nitrous/Dominator on a SP1. I am replacing with Performer dual plane and 850 quick fuel. Want to use the ram air. No Nitrous. I may replace the cam but want to see how it performs for now. What I need advice on is spark plugs. Currently NGK BP5ES
    Thx.
     
  2. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    What compression ratio
    A 5 heat range is hot on a nitrous motor.

    Lots of ppl run the fr5 i lower compression aluminum heads. But I wouldn't but the bottle to it......the fr5 have the smaller her size

    I run the ngk 7173 in my motor but im over 12:1. They also use the smaller 5/8 her.

    I just dynoed a 383 yesterday with afr heads, stk marine cam only 9.5:1 and the fr5 look a tick warm in it
     
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  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

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  4. dentboy

    dentboy stacy kelevra

    No two engines are alike,,period. Your better off running a slightly colder plug than hotter being you don't have any specs on engine. Is it pump gas, race gas ?? Just because some people run a certain plug doesn't mean it's correct,, those people's plugs could also be pure white showing no color, that correct also ?? No!!
    If its a pump gas motor around 10.5:1 ngk recommends bkr6e. According to ngk one hest range is difference of 250 degrees in combustion chamber. Thats my recommendation, run them put some mileage on them and then look at them. The plug will tell you what the engine wants.
     
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  5. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    Thx Larry. I spoke to you on the phone also. Good stuff.
     
  6. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    Nothing else to do. Waiting for dyno. Decided to change out all the plugs. Turns out. ( And I'm guessing that this was the problem from jump). Why the cam lobe #7 Cylinder exhaust failed in the first place. We knew that the #7 plug was loose afterwards. Thought that it was a brain fart. Turns out that the #7 plug will not tighten to specs. When the engine was IN - was a different feel i guess. Engine out - First 7 plugs np. #7 Cylinder - Turns in no problem. But when trying to tighten correctly. No good. Keeps turning. Thinking now that was the problem all along for the cam failure on #7 exhaust lobe. Thats why it was loose afterwards. . Anyhow. Now what? Can't helicoil it. My friend says that there is such a thing as a spark plug sleeve. He actually has has something like this. Anyone ever hear of such a thing for an aluminum head?
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  8. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    No problem to sleeve or heli coil....I've never been a fan of TAs plug threads....but a loose plug isn't goin to wipe a lobe
     
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  9. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    Ok Larry. I heard you. Sent
     
  10. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    I absolutely will work this out tomorrow. Hopefully.
     
  11. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Its not unusual for aluminium heads to strip out a plug hole. Thats why they sell kits for it.
     
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  12. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Never remove plugs on aluminum head motor when hot....can strip threads....at least what I have heard.
    I run the 7173 (R5672A-8) NGK racing plugs.
     
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  13. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I heard the same thing, I do it cold
     
  14. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    My buddy had an old helicoil brand spark plug insert deal. Letting it dry overnight. Should be okay. So it's understood. When I said that I was waiting for dyno time I guess I should have explained that the engine is out of the car. So obviously cold.
     

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  15. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    What happened to all the aluminum from the tapping process?
     
  16. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    What I did was turn the engine over until the piston was all the way down and the intake valve was closed and the exhaust valve open. We used a good tap oil (tap magic). Important. Go easy. A little at a time remove the tap and wipe off continuously. Used a very long skinny air blower both in the plug hole and the exhaust port. Actually turned the engine upside down and repeated. I'm pretty comfortable with the results. Could I have removed the head? Sure. But I honestly didn't think that it was necessary. If you're careful.
     
  17. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    One other thing. A lot of people giving tips. Especially about not removing sparkplugs from a hot engine. Here's another one. NEVER try to install a sparkplug on an aluminum head by hand. ALWAYS. And I mean ALWAYS. Use a 3/8 hose. Fuel or vacuum or otherwise. To install. Never by fingertips. Trust me. It works.
     

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  18. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    That trick works if you can't reach the plug by hand. Always install plugs by hand
     
  19. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    X2
     
  20. Frankie70GS

    Frankie70GS Long Island NY

    I'm not saying it did or it didn't. Actually I should have pulled this engine like Larry told me from the start. But hard headed. I didn't. I actually was lucky that the lobe on the cam went. When I looked clocser it showed me that the engine was about to grenade. I got lucky that the cam went before the whole engine went. In any case. The Buick lives.
     

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