Removal and replacement of timing chain

Discussion in 'Wrenchin' Secrets' started by GoldBoattail455, Sep 9, 2005.

  1. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    I'll shoot another coat or two on it and see what happens. Im going to have to start painting in the house............Yes! :laugh: Seems fine though, the color that is. Not much left till she purrs! :Brow: :3gears:
     
  2. MR.BUICK

    MR.BUICK Guest

    Lookin' great Rob! Nice work! :TU: :bglasses:
     
  3. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    You're using the DH1608, right? If you're not, then I'd think again about putting another coat on the timing cover. Dissimilar paints don't like each other.:Dou:
     
  4. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Yup, DH1608. If I paint it would be the pump, not the cover.

    Thanks Cody. :)
     
  5. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Cool...looking forward to seeing it come together!
     
  6. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Anyone know how to take off the crankshaft gear? :Do No:
     
  7. D BERRY

    D BERRY 72 Skylark 2 DR POST

    Believe it or not they usually they just slide off, mine did both times I took it off.

    Dave B
     
  8. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Cool, thanks Dave.
     
  9. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Did a few little things today. Got the old crank gear off, removed old valve cover gaskets, cleaned all dirt/grime/gaskets off the front of the block, painted intake manifold bolts, ordered new pcv valve, egr valve, TSC solenoid etc, cleaned out heads as best as I could. Tomorrow I plan on puttin the chain and gears on, setting the crank and cam so the timing marks are aligned, put on the timing cover and button it up. From there its just fluids, hoses, tune-up parts, detailing and a rebuilt carb.
     
  10. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Ordered a new EGR valve ($44), PCV Valve ($3), TCS solenoid ($30), and some supplies. Found out I can't use the neoprene front seal from TA and will go with the stock rope seal. :mad: The entire gasket set for the timing cover is wrong so I had them order one for a Buick 455 instead of the Pontiac or Oldsmobile they gave me. Second time the gave me the wrong 455 gaskets. Lets see, 1 day wasted and i have the same amount of f***ing time as if i actually went to school! :af: :af: :af: :blast: :blast: :blast:
     
  11. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Why cant you use the neoprene seal?
     
  12. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Because I either have to machine my timing cover or risk cracking the aluminum. It would be nice if I had know about this in advance, the directions stated no machining and the seal is much bigger than the opening. :spank:

    Went BACK to the parts store and got the right timing cover gasket set for buick 400, 430, 455. When installing a rope seal should I soak it in oil first before fitting it? :Do No: Thanks :TU:
     
  13. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    hmmm...thats interesting. Never heard that you had to machine the timing cover. All the ones Ive installed just banged right in. This is the one that has the metal ring and kinda looks like a brake rotor grease seal right?
     
  14. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Brought the number 1 cylinder up to TDC. Put the timing cover and harmonic balancer on to adjust perfectly to 0 degrees. Got it at 0, removed timing cover and balancer. Removed cam gear and chain, lined up cam gear with crank then put cam gear and chain back on, loctite both bolts and torqued to 22 ft. lbs. Test fitted the timing cover, and gaskets. Trimmed gaskets. Put gaskets down, put on timing cover and started with the longest bolts to the shortest. The 4 shortest bolts in the oil pan and very bottom of front cover got me confused so I put them in and will pick up next week. Did not torque timing cover bolts yet. It went ok, the only problem is the bolts (brand new ARP) got really tight to put in towards the end and I felt like they were going to snap. The timing cover has a chip in one of the water pump bolts. Right now im very displeased with how the whole thing went. Bad day. :mad: :(
     
  15. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    Im gone this entire weekend which kinda stinks but hopefully next week will go better.

    Water pump buttoned up.
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    Timing marks aligned
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    Chain and gears on
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    Cover on
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  16. D BERRY

    D BERRY 72 Skylark 2 DR POST

    Did anyone mention cleaning out the bolt holes with a tap, I always chase all bolt holes with a tap before reassembly, flat bottom taps for blind holes. Also are the ARP bolts the same length as the stock bolts? Did I miss something, why did you buy ARP bolts any???

    Dave Berry :confused:
     
  17. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    No mention of a tap. I bought arp bolts through TA performance because nearly all the old ones had no threads left, they were rusted.
     
  18. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Rust gets packed in the threads of the timing cover bolts. It only looks like the threads are gone. Especially the long ones. If you were to wire wheel the bolts, they would look good as new. Tapping the bolt holes is a very good idea. Putting some anti sieze on the threads is also wise. Why dont I see any sealer on that timing cover gasket? :puzzled: I usually spray them down with hi-tack on both sides
     
  19. GoldBoattail455

    GoldBoattail455 462 -> TH400 -> Posi

    I was told no sealer and no rtv was needed.
     
  20. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Who told you that? (Doesn't seem to make much sense) Did you install it already? or is the picture a mockup?
     

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