PCV valve is affecting idle rpm. Why?

Discussion in 'Wrenchin' Secrets' started by garybuick, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    The PCV valve has a spring in it so it stays closed at idle and does not dillute the a/f mixture at idle. So at idle if i pinch the hose shut with my fingers it shouldnt have any affect on idle speed correct? But it does.

    I cannot make my engine idle under 900 rpm no matter how far out I back the idle rpm screw. Only if I pinch the PCV valve line with my fingers.

    It is a brand new valve just bought it couple days ago. Tested the spring myself with a small screw driver.

    How much vaccuum should I have at idle. I have a vaccuum gage ill go check what I have.

    please advise

    Gary
     
  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Assuming your engnie is bone stock and it is in reasonably state of tune, I'd like to see 19-21 inches of Mercury (in/Hg). The reading should also be steady.
     
  3. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    So when you pinch the PCV valve hose, the idle drops lower? That tells me that you might have a vaccum leak.
     
  4. crankshaft

    crankshaft Well-Known Member

    I believe that's how its suppose to work, During acceleration the vacuum drops that's when the pcv closes, when you need the extra air and fuel, then when you reach your cruising speed the vacuum increases and the pcv opens up again.
     
  5. Carl Rychlik

    Carl Rychlik Let Buick Light Your Fire

    I agree with Jason;sounds to me it's a vacuum leak too. Or your carburetor is set too lean affecting the PCV vacuum signal.
     
  6. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    no the PCV is supposed to stay closed when the vaccuum at idle when the vaccuum is highest, its when vaccuum falls off that it opens and lets the carb suck up the crankcase fumes... I think my vaccuum is low because my timing is retarded...
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Pinching the hose closed will lower the idle. That is normal. The carburetor is calibrated for the small amount of air allowed by the PCV valve at idle. See where your idle vacuum is. It should be 20" with a stock engine.
     
  8. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    The engine should idle lower than 900 rpm though
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Absolutely. He may have a vacuum leak.
     
  10. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    when I pinch the PCV valve shut, then it will idle slowly. But if I dont pinch it, it cant go lower than 900. Wierd.
     
  11. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The PCV has nothing to do with it. You have something else going on. What's your idle vacuum in Park, fully warmed up??
     
  12. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    vaccuum is 17
    initial advance is 10


    does it really make a difference if I set the advance in park or in drive? What rpm does the mechanical advance start coming in ?
     
  13. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    And whats the vacuum reading with the hose pinched?

    Is the vacuum reading steady or is the needle fluttering?
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    It will tell you in the chassis manual. Ignition section. That is assuming you have the original distributor in the engine. 17" is low for a stock engine.
     
  15. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    vaccum is rock steady, its about the same at 17
     
  16. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    maybe the vaccum is low like you said and thats why it cant hold the PCV valve closed at idle so it is like a big vaccuum leak?

    the engine is stock with 40k miles on it
     
  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Nope. The PCV is not supposed to be closed at idle. You have a vacuum leak somewhere. Check the carburetor to intake manifold gasket. Pinch off the brake booster hose. See if vacuum changes.
     
  18. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    Ill check those things tomorrow. Maybe it is the carb base. It does idle nice and slow when I plug the PCV hose FWIW. Not particularly smooth though. AT 900 its darn smooth. Going into gear is a small event though. ... Ill check leaks tomorrow. .. thanks for the tips much appreciated.
     
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    When you plug the PCV, you richen up the mixture. There is always supposed to be PCV flow.
     

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