Old school shoot out!

There is only one muscle car that I have seen in my town..which is owned by another guy about my age ( 18 - 19 )

It's a 1970 Mustang. I know his sister (She totally wants me! Muhaha!) And she mentioned it being a 351 ci 2V V-8.(She knows her stuff yeah? Deff girlfriend material. xD I'll bring her to the Buick Side!) It's a bright red with single black racing stripe.

When I get my 1971 Skylark....he would be my only rival..and I know within a week he would be calling me out. Haha.

So what are ya'll views on this? Good competion? Don't mess with him? You'll Squash him?

And...the Skylark I plan on getting is the 455 Big block.

 

And she mentioned it being a 351 ci 2V V-8.(She knows her stuff yeah?

maybe she's sandbagging you for her brother? :moonu:



i don't see how there could possibly be anything to be scared of. if it's a Cleveland, the 2 barrels are low compression dogs. i doubt the 351 Windsor would be any more dangerous.

if it was a 4v 351C and he knows to wind it up and he's got the car sorted he might give you trouble at a 1/4 mile track.



the Skylark I plan on getting is the 455 Big block.

if it's a pegleg you'll have a heck of a time hooking it.

what transmission and rear end?

 

455 automatic wf code 71/72 motor and includes turbo 400 from 1970 buick. That's all I know about it really...Peg leg? Is? (Very new to this!)

 

Nah I wouldn't do it on the street..I'd go to the strip...so the numbers can say the winner..because in a street race too many people make too many excuses. =)

 

I'd go to the strip...so the numbers can say the winner..because in a street race too many people make too many excuses. =)

mwuhahahaha.

as you say, you haven't been at this long. wait till you hear how many excuses ( v-tech didn't kick in, yoh! ) you get at the track.

by the by, if you're going to the track get everything that you reasonably can out of the car. spare tire, jacks, etc.




The 2V could be reffering to the heads. If so, the 2V heads are way better on the street than the 4V conterparts.

maybe if you're talking about imported Australian heads. they boost compression higher than even the 4v US heads. combined with smaller cross section runners, they're much better at low/midrange than the domestic OEM stuff.

2v Cleveland US heads are the opposite. they are lower compression. the smaller runner cross sections help with streetable power but we're talking about WOT racing use, exactly the time when you need big cross sections.


compare these numbers:
1970 Buick 2v 350 9.0 CR
260hp @ 4,600 / 360tq @ 2,600

1970 Ford 2v 351C 9.5 CR
250hp @ 4,600 / 355tq @ 2,600

a Buick 350 2v has better numbers on BOTH hp and torque than a 2v Cleveland.

yes Virginia, you could reasonably expect to beat a 2v 351C with a 2v 350 SBB if you could get the car weights near equal.




Peg leg? Is? (Very new to this!)

open carrier differential. if you stand on it you're going to smoke one tire and not go anywhere. a big block with a peg leg requires very, very good throttle control to accomplish anything.

you could kludge it a little by rehanging the throttle pedal so it would require more throw for the same amount of butterfly movement ( this gives better pedal feel ) but that's really a redneck way of getting things done. better just to get a posi carrier and be done with it.

manual transmissions also get much more of the power to the ground but they take a lot more skill to get down the drag strip efficiently.



wf code 71/72 motor

WF is a 72 8.5 CR motor. rated at 250hp @ 4,600 and 375tq @ 2,800. 1971 would be a TA, TR or TS.

which sounds pretty bad but keep in mind, 72 is the first year of Net SAE ratings. in 1970 comparable Gross Horsepower terms, it would be near 315hp @ 4,600 and 450tq @ 2,800.

 

Jason, your are correct about the 351C. Too many variables to know for certain. Sounds like you have some Cleveland experience. True?

I used to race at the local NASCAR track and we ran Cleveland engines of all different varieties and combinations. Australian, Pantera, Boss, H.O., 2V, 4V, all the different chamber sizes as well. It took 3 years of breaking a lot of parts to get a package that worked, but when we did it was a powerhouse and reliable.

We sold three engines to a guy running a dirt late model and he ran one of them for most a season without changing the jets in the Holley to compensate for the car being alcohol vs. gas. They apparently really like alcohol. He put on in his 70 Bronco with a 4-71 blower on it and that worked too.

Anyway, it's hard to know what 351C you are dealing with and how much its got. A prudent man would find out about the opposition before getting too deep.

And, as far as the sister goes; we could use some new posting on the girlfriend forum.

Good Luck and Happy Hunting!

 

theres only one muscle car in Houston texas?uzzled:

 

Nah! I put houston because I claim houston before my own town.

I live in ALVIN, Texas...a little town. =) Only one fire red mustang that thunders through the street, and get's all the attention.

I hope to change that!

 

LoL!! Haha, have you guy's really been challenged by the Ricer Honda's and what not?

If so that would be a sight to see! I'd pay to witness that. :kodak:

 

What I was getting at is that it could be a 2V engine with a 4 barrel manifold.

eh, i did kind of skip over that possibility.

doesn't a 4v manifold on a 2v head result in a reversion step? or do you port match the runners when doing that swap?



Especially in a lighter car like the Mustang (a non aircraft carrier Mustang anyway)

which is why i made the point about getting the car weights co-equal. true, that would probably require quite a bit of stripping for a Skylark.

i don't know what the earlier Stangs scale at but the Fox body designs are shockingly heavy. had an SCCA guy tell me that his race trim 96 Stang scaled at ~3600lbs. with me in it, my Probe is 2650lbs and the Electra was ~3920. i'd take either one of them against a Mustang if that's what those guys race at.


those port plates, do they double as gaskets?




have you guy's really been challenged by the Ricer Honda's and what not?

i'm a circle track guy, but spend some time reading through the Kill Stories and you'll find a lot of that type of thing. it's seems to be fairly common on the Probe boards, Honda's don't like losing to Mazda's.

for some reason, nobody likes to lose to a Buick. :TU:

and yes, i've gotten some good sob stories at the circle track as well.

course, i've done some dumb things at the track ( get the gas tank low enough that the fuel is coming off of the pickup in the middle of the feature, etc ) too. i just don't normally spend a lot of time whining about how i'd of kicked their butts but....

i prefer to come back next week and win. :bglasses:

 

You better be careful it don't get cooties.

 

Thats interesting that your Electra weighed 3900 lbs.

oh, what wasn't rusted out of that car was stripped and what wasn't stripped was rusted. if you opened the trunk you looked at the top of the gas tank because the floor of the trunk had rotted out. it was damn sure a lot lighter than any big Buick you're likely to see at the drag strip.

almost had the roof skin come off when we were towing it down the road one time so we formed a sheet metal patch that also covered the top 8-12" of the windshield area. we ran that on dirt a couple of times.

keep in mind, my Electra was a 71. that's a bit bigger than those late 60's cars.

 

Jennifer has given you cooties long ago my friend. In fact I'd bet you're probably infested with them by now.



And the anticipation builds into excitement.

The last thing you do is believe a girl, much less the sister of the one you are gonna race.

Mikey

 

Not saying I beleive her..but just saying that is what she said..so I'm keeping that in mind. Anyone drag against any mustangs? How did it go?

 

Dayum. Well, the jen was modified though yeah? =)